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Was Lt. Kerry AWOL from the Ready Reserve?
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| August 30, 2004
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Posted on 09/03/2004 2:22:06 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: AndyJackson
You are correct. I spent 17 years in the Army Reserves, UCMJ only applies while in a duty status.
We were informed that the period of duty status started 1 hour before drill to 1 hour after drill.
Since you are only required to drive up to 1 hour to drill that is why there is a 1 hour leeway.
Example: One of our soilders was driving home from drill and got into a accident, since it was within the 1 hour limit the Reserves covered his medical bills, also he had his seat-belt fastened as per regulation so he was covered.
If he did not have his seat-belt fastened he would not have been covered.
Another point I might add here, any crime you commit while in duty status,( e.i. summer camp, weekend drill, etc,) and you are returned to a non-duty status, you can be called back to duty to stand trial for those crime.
There was a Navy Reservist that committed a crime where on his summer cruise, and about 6 months later he was called back to stand trial for his crime.
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:01:56 PM PDT
by
amigatec
(There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
To: crushelits
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. This is also false, the '48' drills is really 48 MUTA's (Multiple Unit Training Assembly's) a MUTA is 4 hour's. 48 MUTA's is 12 drills.
Sometimes you have a MUTA 3, All day Saturday and 1/2 day Sunday. Sometimes you have a MUTA 5, Friday night, and all day Saturday and Sunday. For every MUTA 3 you will have a MUTA 5. The MUTA's start on October 1st the start of the Fiscal year.
Your Retirement year starts the day you join, my RYE date (Retirement Year Ending) date is July 11.
Also Summer camp can be from 14 to 28 days long.
Reserve participation is based on points,
you get 15 points for being a member.
1 point for every MUTA.(1 point for 4 hours of drill)
1 point for every day of summer camp or every day of active duty
and about 50 other ways to make points, e.i. school, etc.
It takes 50 points for a 'good' year.
If you attend all your drills and 14 days of summer camp you get 77 points.
You can miss 2 1/2 drills in a Retirement year, and it will still count. NOTE: Take into account the difference between the Fiscal Year and the Retirement Year.
In my case if we had summer camp during the month of July I had a good chance of my summer camp points being split between 2 years, same with MUTA 3's and MUTA 5's.
I could have missed 5 drills in a row and still had a good year!!!
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:35:08 PM PDT
by
amigatec
(There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
To: crushelits
Somehow, reading this, I am reminded of the Morton Salt girl with her little umbrella. "When it rains, it pours"
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:40:14 PM PDT
by
UsnDadof8
(Virgnian by birth, Texan in my heart)
To: amigatec
This is also way W's drill attendance is a non-issue.
Once you understand how the point system works you see how silly it really is.
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:40:16 PM PDT
by
amigatec
(There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
To: lepton
45
posted on
09/03/2004 5:40:22 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: AndyJackson
Sounds like you know the ins and outs of this. Any idea why Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972?
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:49:43 PM PDT
by
gitmo
(Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
To: amigatec
This is also way W's drill attendance is a non-issue. Once you understand how the point system works you see how silly it really is. It's at least twice that silly... :)
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:51:25 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Mach9
From my experience in the 70's I have to say this doesn't sound correct. The Active Reserve, the Acti-vated Reserve and the Ready Reserve were 3 different things. The Ready Reserve was merely a pool of people who had served and were on a list of people subject to activation in case of broad mobilization. The only obligation was to report your address.
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posted on
09/03/2004 5:54:02 PM PDT
by
cookcounty
(Watch the self-immolation of John Zippo Kerry live on national TV!!!!)
To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Stop trying to be an f'n sea lawyer, as we call them. This section does not confer jurisdiction where none existed. This only provides that if you are a reservist, and commit an offcense in drill status or on summer training duty, you can be recalled to active duty to stand trial for those crimes. But this section does not confer jurisdiction where none existed.
To: crushelits
Don't worry folks. I have knowledge that Mr. John F. Kerry is being investigated by the Dept. of Navy for falsification of reports for the request of an award. Kerry's Silver Star has an unauthorized "V" for valor which "makes it facially false and at variance with official government records."
Now, let us examine Kerry's own words in the case of Admiral Jeremy Michael Boorda who died of a self-inflicted gun shot wound on May 16, 1996. After his suicide, National Review columnist Kate O'Beirne notes Kerry gave his response to two Boston papers. Kerry is quoted as saying: "In a sense, there's nothing that says more about your career than when you fought, where you fought and how you fought," And, "If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value and self-esteem and your sense of how others view you."
At that time, questions were raised about Boorda's combat "V" clip, which is awarded for valor under fire. The doubt was over whether Boorda's two tours in Vietnam aboard combat ships qualified him for the awards. The Washington Post reported Boorda's right to wear the clips apparently was supported by a Navy manual, but hours before he was scheduled to address the issue with Newsweek reporters, he shot himself.
Kerry also spoke with the Boston Globe:
"The military is a rigorous culture that places a high premium on battlefield accomplishment," he told the paper.
Of Boorda and his apparent violation, Kerry said: "When you are the chief of them all, it has to weigh even more heavily."
To: crushelits
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posted on
09/03/2004 6:32:24 PM PDT
by
christie
(http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
To: gitmo; crushelits
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posted on
09/03/2004 6:42:25 PM PDT
by
christie
(http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
To: stockpirate
Sorry it took me so long to respond. That's DYNAMITE. I can certainly look it up--but was Kerry still part of the leadership at that time? And--I don't recall Nixon's resumption of heavy bombing 'til (or even the hint of it) before November '72. Of course, it began in December. How could the Vietnamese have suspected BEFORE April 1972? Not even Nixon was confident of re-election. Absolutely amazing how good their sources were . . .
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posted on
09/03/2004 6:50:19 PM PDT
by
Mach9
To: Chieftain
Could NOT agree more! Send them WHATEVER you can--at the expense of any other political contribution.
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posted on
09/03/2004 6:54:04 PM PDT
by
Mach9
To: Tacis
To be fair, here, the Swifts are far from finished. Don't you think his bona fides as a hero needed to be confronted before he's tried for treason?
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posted on
09/03/2004 6:56:33 PM PDT
by
Mach9
To: crushelits
Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972. Has he applied for a 30-year pension?
To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Treason is a federal crime. No UCMJ deliberations necessary. However, it's an extremely difficult crime to prove. Forget the two witnesses (what he said MILLIONS saw; what he DID in Paris is almost indisputable); but freedom of speech and the Court's interpretation of it rose to the vice-stage in the late 60's. Aid and Comfort has (unfortunately) yet to be construed as providing public relations services tot he enemy--which is FAR more significant than providing him with food or shelter. I would think in this age of terrorism that such a finding by the Court would arm the Justice Department with ammo agsint groups like the ACLU, some of the radical Islamic American branches, etc.
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posted on
09/03/2004 7:06:41 PM PDT
by
Mach9
To: AndyJackson
"Stop trying to be an f'n sea lawyer, as we call them. This section does not confer jurisdiction where none existed."
BULL!
The instant he alleged "war crimes" the NIS door opened.
You protest too much.
To: AndyJackson
are you going to respond to post # 46?
To: AndyJackson
I am not surmising anything. He had no training requirement that I can see. I simply do not understand that discharge letter and the reference to the statute providing for the hearing. Essentially I am agreeing with you but am raising that question. Do you have an answer why that reference appears in his discharge letter?
Remember--the rules I am reading are those referred to in the discharge letter posted on the Kerry web site. It seems to me his discharge should have automatically arrived six years after his initial entry date.
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posted on
09/03/2004 7:16:29 PM PDT
by
dilpo
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