Posted on 09/03/2004 10:04:07 AM PDT by ezfindit
As with reference to Carthage, I submit that the Russians have not been persistent enough.
As long as the greater Islamic world does not police itself, my reservoir of sympathy for them will be very, very low.
Ahh! My computer is working so slowly today and I keep hiccuping my posts. Sorry.
Obviously and evidently, not harsh enough.
You're calling for genocide, then. That'll be sure to make the Chechens stop. Of course, it would place the Russians on an even lower moral plane than the monsters who did this, but hey -- at least the Chechens won't be killing civilians anymore.
Thank you.
It is the chechen mindset, that of sadism and warrior mentality, and it is the wahhabi belief that countries surrounding chechnya need to be "re-taken" and incorporated into chechnya. See the Putin quote on my FR page.
Russia backed out in 96 and chechens then invaded Dagestan.
Exactly. Isn't that the whole objective?
We could fantacize and pretend they could do it on their own, but getting back to reality, with all muslims gone, including the chechens, no further killing should be necessary.
Yes, it could. We need to be vigilant both in prayer and in practice.
Yes, it could. We need to be vigilant both in prayer and in practice.
Yes, it could. We need to be vigilant both in prayer and in practice.
Gesundheit!
Why do we need to digest this point over and over? The muslims everywhere can choose to deal with the killers among them themselves, or expect sooner or later that someone will do it for them, when they start exporting their mayhem. I have seen no evidence, zero, that this is happenening anywhere in a muslim country, where a dedicated killer is taken out by his community, for the safety of all.
It is obvious, that if this is not happening, they are sympathyzers or enablers. alternatively, the community fears them more than the certain deserved retribution that they are sure to get.
Aside from that, most civilized human beings, if they truly care about their "innocent" children (with muslims, this seems to be under age 7)will make every humanly-possible effort to remove them from the site of any retaliatory strike, whereas the sandmaggots do the exact opposite, deliberately distribute the children among the killers to create new martyrs to parade before the world.
So... one more time: the deaths of "innocents" is their choice, not ours.
Unfortuntely, what will be needed here is the same sort of effort that it took to stop the Nazis. Not only will the west need to invade and conquer the centers of Islamic influence, but it will necessitate the use of overwhelming force. Finally, it will require the stamping out of an ideology that calls for the destruction of western civiliztion. We did this to the axis powers in WWII and we will eventually have to do this here.
There will ultimately come a time when we will have to go Dresden and Hiroshima on their asses, or "submit."
The blood of the Russian citizen is no longer boiling.
It's burning, it's jelling.
It's turning into napalm.
And it's waiting to douse these monsters.
The Islamic nazi dogs who murdered these children in the name of their god will have a whole new hell waiting for them when this standoff ends.
If I were Putin, I would make my justice swift and brutal. Every one of these terrorists should be killed. No imprisonment, no trial, just removed from our Earth so they can harm us no more.
Every friend, ally, financial donor, or sympathizer or these sub-human child killers should be laid out in the same grave as they that physically committed the act. Their local Mosques should be cleared of women and children and then bombed to dust and sand. All Muslim women and children should be evacuated from Chechnya, then the region should be turned into rocks. The ground that they raise their crops on should be salted so that nothing will ever grow again in their beloved "breakaway" Muslim "Republic" of Chechnya.
Then, and ONLY then, will this assault on Russia, humanity and the future and freedom of civilized society be avenged.
It's time to get tough.
Please read my previous post to you.
Yes, I think you don't know that. If you did, you would probably not be recommending stupid things.
You seem to think that Russia is to blame for Chechen terrorism.
I think you cannot address Chechen terrorism without understanding its roots. That is not to condone it -- it is to give one a better grasp on the problem.
You remind me of liberal idiots who think the US is to blame for terror attacks against us.
Hm. I have a far less charitable opinion of your reasoning ability.
Maybe -- or maybe we're still at the "1936 stage," or even the "1938 stage," where smaller-scale actions (such as we are currently taking) will eliminate the fanatics, and the larger populations are still not involved. We're certainly not yet at the "1939 stage," with its larger-scale slaughter that came as a result of not acting soon enough.
As President Bush pointed out last night, the key to the whole thing is to transform Islamic societies, rather than to force them into a war against us. That means getting rid of the Saddams, Assads, Arafats, and associated murdering bastards; and it also means we can't go around killing civilians.
Well, if you want to call interdiction in 1936 Nazi Germany a smaller scale operation, I would agree. It would have been easier to launch an invasion on the borders of Germany than the beaches of Normandy.
As President Bush pointed out last night, the key to the whole thing is to transform Islamic societies
The only transformation the Nazis undertook is when their country was conquered, under the command of the allies, and their youth forced into schools that outlawed Nazism.
That means getting rid of the Saddams, Assads, Arafats, and associated murdering bastards; and it also means we can't go around killing civilians.
Of course we don't want to kill civilians. When did the allied forces ever attack civilians? We must also realize though that the allies had to drop their bombs and destroy buildings the Nazis hid in even though they hid behind the skirts of women and their little children. It is a reality of war. The Islamists are famous for this tactic
If you would you call Assad of Syria a terrorist, it well means an assault on Syria. What about Iran? What about their financing of Hamas? That also will require a major military action. Civilians will suffer. These are not merely "fanatics", they are the propagators of an ideology that must be eradicated. We will be in these countries for a long time.
My Friend, launching an assault on Syria and Iran will certainly be on "Large Scale" and if we don't act right away, than we most certainly will have not acted "soon enough".
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