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Forging a Paper Hero: The Mystery of Kerry’s Medals
Original FReeper research | 8/30/2004 | Fedora

Posted on 08/30/2004 5:39:36 PM PDT by Fedora

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To: Fedora
unless there was a minimal threat and it was all a stunt to get medals from the get-go.

That seems to be the case. Turning into the threat was not a spur of the moment decision, according to some who were there.

81 posted on 08/30/2004 7:50:52 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: philman_36

I have to suspect some MSM people have put some pieces together, they're just not talking because they don't want to damage Kerry. Some of the articles I've seen seem calculated to cover up things which the authors must know better than.


82 posted on 08/30/2004 7:51:35 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Wolverine

Glad to hear it was readable, thanks! :)


83 posted on 08/30/2004 7:54:02 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Cboldt

Yes. My guess is they went into a low-hazard area looking for some isolated enemies. Unfortunately if that's the case, Kerry wasn't the only one involved--which might explain why some are supporting him. I fear there's an ugly story underlying some of this.


84 posted on 08/30/2004 7:56:11 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
True and true.
Hey, on the "turning into the fire" scenario. Do you remember reading how the guy he was first on board with (I'm not bothering looking up his name...first boat/PH incident) was the one everyone credited with inventing the plan for smoking out the VC. Maybe JohnBoy, like OwlBore, wanted recognition for inventing something of his own.
85 posted on 08/30/2004 7:57:45 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Fedora

Check Yesterday's messages/threads: Unless you and are "double-referencing the same one.

The one I'm thinking of had Kerry reading into the Congressional Record a eulogy to a VN vet, but praising Kerry the whole message.


86 posted on 08/30/2004 8:03:00 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: Fedora
I fear there's an ugly story underlying some of this.

Nothing out of everyday human behavior. Some people cheat, sometimes good folks succumb to temptation.

The "ugly" story, to me, is that Kerry got so far with his con. The media IS, NOW, STILL facilitating perpetrating that fraud onto the public. That's ugly.

That Kerry got away with lying about war crimes, atrocities, and infected the public with disdain for Vietnam veterans. That's ugly.

But a "little bit of stolen valor?" Probably happens all the time. Doesn't make true valor any less heroic.

Building a life of "public service" out of 100% stolen valor? Causing national division, pissing on veterans, with lies about atrocities? Wow. I am incensed, amazed, angered beyond ability to express it. Kerry -IS- ugly.

87 posted on 08/30/2004 8:04:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

OK - I see it above! Sorry.


88 posted on 08/30/2004 8:05:14 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: Fedora

bump


89 posted on 08/30/2004 8:20:35 PM PDT by JWinNC
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To: philman_36

"Do you remember reading how the guy he was first on board with (I'm not bothering looking up his name...first boat/PH incident) was the one everyone credited with inventing the plan for smoking out the VC."

I don't remember that detail. I think for the first PH Kerry was under William Schachte's command, and the two guys actually with him on the operation were William Zaldonis and Patrick Runyon.


90 posted on 08/30/2004 8:23:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Cboldt

If you look up "ugly" in the dictionary, there's a picture of Kerry, and under the second entry it says "See TerAYzah".


91 posted on 08/30/2004 8:30:50 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
This is the one we're both talking about, right?

Senator Kerry, “Thomas M. Belodeau”, Congressional Record—Senate, 105th Congress—2nd Session (1998), S186-S187, January 28, 1998, located through http://thomas.loc.gov/ (August 29, 2004)

92 posted on 08/30/2004 8:32:37 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

BTTT


93 posted on 08/30/2004 8:33:03 PM PDT by sport
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To: Fedora; Mia T; shaggy eel

Great Stuff.

Getting to the meat, Mia!

Parallel path to power to that pursued by your lot's putrid Peking Duckie, shaggs.

BUMPping


94 posted on 08/30/2004 8:33:56 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: Fedora

Just one word: WOW!!!!


95 posted on 08/30/2004 8:39:41 PM PDT by republican4ever (The more I get to know man, the more I love my dog. -Not my original quote!!)
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To: Brian Allen
Parallel path to power to that pursued by your lot's putrid Peking Duckie

I'm gonna guess all that alliteration is alluding to an Arkansas alleycat :)

96 posted on 08/30/2004 8:41:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: republican4ever

Thanks!!!


97 posted on 08/30/2004 8:42:44 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Cboldt; Fedora

> ... unless there was a minimal threat and it was all
> a stunt to get medals from the get-go.

And his pal Rass clued him in on just how to finagle it
after the fact. The mine was real. Mining bronze from
the mine was art.

Sgt. Bilko would be amazed.


98 posted on 08/30/2004 8:52:59 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Fedora

research bump


99 posted on 08/30/2004 8:53:41 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry was in the Senate???)
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To: Boundless
And his pal Rass clued him in on just how to finagle it after the fact. The mine was real. Mining bronze from the mine was art.

Two different incidents, but your sentiment is on the money.

Fedora and I were swapping comments about the Silver Star incident (beaching in the face of numerically superior enemy while under intense fire, dispatching a single VC), not the Bronze Star (mining/Rassmann) one. KErry could plan the beaching maneuver in advance, and there are credible allegations that he did. But nobody plans being mined.

100 posted on 08/30/2004 8:57:54 PM PDT by Cboldt
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