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Forging a Paper Hero: The Mystery of Kerry’s Medals
Original FReeper research | 8/30/2004 | Fedora

Posted on 08/30/2004 5:39:36 PM PDT by Fedora

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To: The Bandit

Great analysis! I think one of the most important things you've got there is the confirmation that Kerry wrote the spot reports. The critique of the physical problems with the scenarios depicted by Kerry is also excellent.


121 posted on 08/31/2004 12:21:19 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

I think the place to look at what happened to Kerry is the missing time before he went to Vietnam.

Also, if he was involved in anti-war activities prior to going to Vietnam than he could have met with Communist agents in South Vietnam.


122 posted on 08/31/2004 2:24:58 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping, Tonk.

Bookmarked!


123 posted on 08/31/2004 2:49:11 AM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Fedora

A whole lot of research there. It’s been extremely difficult to keep track of Hanoi John Kerry’s - that despicable, self aggrandizing, lying, backstabbing, seditious traitor’s - differing Walter Mitty tales.
Good job.


124 posted on 08/31/2004 3:00:28 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


125 posted on 08/31/2004 3:04:10 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: quadrant
S-2, student deferments, were granted for undergraduate study and (I think) for post graduate study as a ministerial or medical student, but not a law student.

There must have been exceptions.
I had a crewman on my Tug working Naha Port, Okinawa in 1969 who had a PhD in Philosophy. After he received his Doctorate his deferment was withdrawn.
He was a private - a seaman on an Army tugboat. He refused to accept a commission because he believed it would show support for the war.
He was a pretty good troop. His one idiosyncrasy was that he insisted that commissioned officers address him as “Doctor” - which was his right. Warrants, Sergeants and enlisted could call him anything they wanted.
126 posted on 08/31/2004 3:13:55 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Cboldt
Also, attacking into intense fire ... S/A and one-off rocket were typical, not intense.

To a person who has never been under fire, a single antique Mauser firing from 500 yards would qualify as “intense” fire.
127 posted on 08/31/2004 3:17:50 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Fedora
On his Silver Star, one question I have is who reportedly put in the paperwork on that recommending him for a Navy Cross?(!)--if that actually happened as Nicosia says.

Your right. They were thinking of recommending him for the Navy Cross. Remember he was the Officer in Charge for this mission and wrote up the paperwork. His commanders took what he claimed as true. For example, with the Bronze Star he claimed 5000 meters of hostile fire from both banks, when there was actually no hostile fire. Even on this mission he claimed the enemy (1 VC) had numerical superiority.
128 posted on 08/31/2004 3:21:56 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Fedora
Kerry’s account to Douglas Brinkley: “PCF 94 had taken a rocket-propelled grenade off the port side. . .Kerry felt a piece of hot shrapnel bore into his left leg.”

“Off the port side” means it was a miss - hitting the water on the left of the boat.
We experienced a lot of near misses, everything from 60 mm mortars to 130 howitzers. The shrapnel does not leap from the water and hurt people. We have all seen movies showing a column of water rising from the explosion. The shrapnel is in the water column. If close alongside the shrapnel falls gently to the deck along with the water.

Kerry campaign press release, January 17, 2004: “On March 13, 1969, Rassmann, a Green Beret, was traveling down the Bay Hap river in a boat behind Kerry’s when both were ambushed by exploding land mines

Ambushed by exploding land mines”??? I wonder how the boat - on the water - set off the LAND mines?
129 posted on 08/31/2004 3:37:07 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Fedora

Great job.
Thanks for the ping.


130 posted on 08/31/2004 3:40:39 AM PDT by There's millions of'em (Where can I get a sKerry secret mission hat?)
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To: Fedora
Ping for input on the line of thought suggested in 111 and previous posts.

Other than his anti-war commencement speech and other tidbits, I don't know much about Kerry's pre-service anti-war activities. There is, I think, enough evidence about his character without finding evidence of a deeper conspiracy.

To penetrate Kerry's connection to subversives, look at who wrote his Senate testimony. As for subversioves in our present system, the people seem to be indifferent. Quite a few virtual commies have been elected to Congress.

131 posted on 08/31/2004 4:33:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Fedora
A link has two ends -- called anchors -- and a direction. The link starts at the "source" anchor and points to the "destination" anchor, which may be any Web resource (e.g., an image, a video clip, a sound bite, a program, an HTML document, an element within an HTML document, etc.). http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html <-- Clikit

The body of your html has, e.g., <SUP>23</SUP>
it should have <A href="#footnote23"><SUP>23</SUP></A>

At the other end, the footnote area, you need to name the "other end" of the link
e.g., <A name="footnote23"><SUP>23</SUP></A>

In short, the "first part" needs to have an <a href=#linkname>linkname</a>, and the other end needs an "a name=linkname" "/a". Notice having "#linkname" at the href, and no "#" at the named link. Notice too, the text between the "a href" (or "a name") and the closing "/a" is the clickable part that shows up on a browser.

132 posted on 08/31/2004 4:52:28 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: river rat

Good read. I'm waiting for the liberRats to start critiquing Slick Willie for his "Service to his Country," but I'm not holding my breath.


133 posted on 08/31/2004 4:54:14 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Fedora

Bumped for when I have time to read it - in work.


134 posted on 08/31/2004 4:56:05 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: The Bandit

Looks good for a rough draft. Please keep me on your list when you want some input. Putting all of this in one place is a great idea. Good for talking points to and for the media.


135 posted on 08/31/2004 4:59:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fedora
That's also interesting. I didn't notice that, but I'd noticed a bit of a related apparent discrepancy. I think Wright says Kerry was gone the day after he talked to him.

In the O'Neill/Kerry debates on the Dick Cavett show, Kerry stated that he thought for two weeks about leaving after he received his third PH and finally decided that he would be more effective in ending the war if he curtailed his tour and left. In actuality, a curtailment request was already in Washington on March 17. When he left on March 26, it was almost two weeks from the March 13 incident, but the decision to leave must have been made almost immediately.

136 posted on 08/31/2004 5:08:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fedora
You really pulled it all together! Please ping me for part three. Also, some may want to see the three Silver Star citations side-by-side with a direct line-by-line comparison:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202276/posts?page=61#53
137 posted on 08/31/2004 5:20:26 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Fedora

Outstanding presentation and research. Thanks.

Please put me on your ping list -- I don't want to miss the remaining chapters.


138 posted on 08/31/2004 5:29:07 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: Fedora
I agree with the general outlines of your scenario, except I'm wondering if Kerry was already onto the basics of collecting PH's (though perhaps not yet the full-blown scheme of manipulating after-action reports) when he arrived in Vietnam, given that he was already trying to get Letson and Hibbard to approve a PH within two weeks of arriving.

I think initially, Kerry was trying to build a war resume ala JFK. He saw an opportunity to get a cheap PH on his first training mission. I doubt if he was aware of the three and out possibility until later. Once he left his training phase and got command of his own boat, he realized how dangerous the assignment was. He lost his nerve and decided that he had to find a way out. As some have suggested here, he resurrected his first PH later.

If you look at the processing times for the three PHs, you notice that Kerry must have submitted his first PH in late January or early February at the latest. 1st PH approved Feb 28 for injuries suffered Dec 2; 2nd PH approved March 5 for injuries suffered Feb 20 (13 days processing time); and 3rd PH approved APR 17 for injuries received March 13 (processing time 35 days). Kerry had already submitted his request to leave on March 17 and left country on March 26 before the formal approval for his third PH.

139 posted on 08/31/2004 5:29:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: R. Scott

I had friends who found their S-2 deferments withdrawn as soon as they completed undergraduate study.
In fact, in my part of the country (Georgia and South Carolina) you received an S-2 deferment for only eight semesters. If you couldn't finish college in that period of time, then the deferment ended; there were to my knowledge no exceptions.
Those going to medical school could receive an additional deferment (I heard the same story about ministerial study but have no personal knowledge of its veracity) but a deferment for any other sort of graduate study was out of the question.
I have no knowledge of the workings of draft boards in other areas of the country.


140 posted on 08/31/2004 7:12:34 AM PDT by quadrant
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