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Vietnam Controversy Costing Kerry, Says Historian
NewsMax .com ^ | 8/23/04 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 08/22/2004 11:27:26 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: kattracks
most people outside of the military and who've seen action has no idea of the awesome power of military explosives esp sea mines as in this case.

We've become conditioned to the hollywood flick of "mines" blowing up where its actually small packages with 2-4 ounces of low explosives and has some gasoline and other pyrotechnics to make it look powerful on the screen. Actually sea mines with approx 20+ pounds of High Explosives will actually tear a boat in two and the people therein will lose body parts for the explosive force of it.

So all in all it proves the point that the so-called "HERO" Kerry didnt dodge or survive a mine (that would be physically impossible since they'll be in little pieces) but instead the guy fell off the boat due to Kerry's reckeless managing the boat.

So instead of a medal he should have been disciplined at the Very least for endangering lives.

21 posted on 08/22/2004 11:50:43 AM PDT by prophetic (Dems investigate for pre 9/11intel - but now we've LOTS of Intel and they claim politics)
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To: kattracks

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets


22 posted on 08/22/2004 11:52:34 AM PDT by petercooper (Kerry passes up terror briefing: "They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.")
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To: kattracks
Burkett has suggested in the past that the way out of the dilemma for Kerry would be for Kerry to open up all his files by executing a blanket SF-180 form allowing all the press to have independent access to his file.

I'd love to see that, but Kerry can't because as little/any that he was really wounded, he obviously didn't deserve those three purple hearts. Bob Dole was crippled for life and almost died in WWII and he only has two purple hearts and one bronze star. He wasn't putting himself in for medals, though. Also, Dole never claimed to have have thrown his medals over the White House fence (now it was Kerry's medal ribbons that he threw), and then run for presidency bragging about those same medals he so despised every chance he gets.

23 posted on 08/22/2004 11:53:17 AM PDT by xJones
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To: hansel

Wow,

Thanks for responding, the only thing I can say is to watch what they're doing (they, the dumb-ass crats) are doing in New Jersey, N.J. is a potential test bed for what may happen in a much
grander scale nation-wide. First with the "Torch" Torricelli, now with McGreavey (sp. on both), Democrats are
not to be trusted at all..................


24 posted on 08/22/2004 11:55:26 AM PDT by knyteflyte3
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To: ARCADIA
If the talk turns instead to Kerry's Senate record, he would be losing public support at an even faster rate.

You can expect that to come at and after the convention directly from the Bush campaign.

25 posted on 08/22/2004 11:56:35 AM PDT by Bob
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John Kerry: Traitor (on back of shirt)
26 posted on 08/22/2004 11:56:53 AM PDT by phroebe (Why would 250 Swift Boat Vets lie and risk complete economic ruination?)
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To: risk
"Kerry's public, admitted record is only reinforced by the rumors and complaints we now hear made by honorable and highly decorated peers who served in similar capacities to Kerry."

My brother, Jim (retired Army) weighed in on this subject - in an email he sent to me this afternoon:

"HERE IS JUST ONE WAY THE VIETNAM PROTESTERS KILLED AMERICAN SOLDIERS:

When my unit overran an enemy headquarters in 1968 during the tet-offensive time frame, we captured enemy documents that were telling.

These documents were written orders from Hanoi to all communist units in the south. The orders directed all units to focus on attacking u.s. units exclusive to all other allied units, for the purpose of creating as many casualties as possible in u.s. units.

They even directed to by-pass other units if necessary to get to u.s. units. These documents cited how effective the anti-war movement was to their cause.

They pointed out that the higher the casualties, the louder the outcry would be to end the war! Of course they were right, and that was an effective way to win politically what they could not achieve on the battlefield.

THIS WAS AMERICAS CENTER OF GRAVITY!

Kerry's group, and people like him provided aid and comfort to the enemy and in fact caused american soldiers to be killed.

THE LAST TIME I LOOKED, THIS WAS CALLED TREASON!

ONE OTHER POINT; This controversy about Bush not serving in combat etc. etc. seems pretty ridiculas at this point. Before his first term you might have found that to be a relevant issue but not now.

The reason most of us look at a candidate's past military service is to evaluate how his past service reflects on how well he will lead in the white house as Commander-in-Chief etc.

Lets now fast forward to 2004. TIME TO EVALUATE BOTH CANDIDATES MILITARY SERVICE:

KERRY: 4 MONTHS FRAUDULENT SERVICE, VIETNAM.

BUSH: FIGHTER PILOT, NATIONAL GUARD,VIETNAM ERA. ALMOST 4 YEARS AS WAR PRESIDENT WITH TITLE OF COMMANDER- IN- CHIEF OF ALL ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES.

FREED OVER 50 MILLION PEOPLE THRU ARMED FORCE. CONTINUES TO DECISIVELY USE MILITARY TO ACHIEVE AMERICAS INTERESTS AND PROTECT AMERICA FROM ATTACKS.ETC. ETC.

THATS JUST MY OPINION ... WHAT DO YOU THINK? JIM

27 posted on 08/22/2004 11:58:48 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: AlbionGirl
I'm enjoying this so much more than I should be.

No no no. You GO girl! We are entitled to enjoy it. WE didn't create it, KERRY DID! LOL!

28 posted on 08/22/2004 11:59:19 AM PDT by EggsAckley (........."YO" is "OY" spelled backwards.........)
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To: hiredhand
Wasn't it Samuel Clements who said that if you never lied, that you didn't have to keep track of so much? ..something like that

also Lincoln, and H L Mencken

But second runner up: Unless a man feels he has a good enough memory, he should never venture to lie. - Montaigne 1533-92

First runner up: Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how to lie well. Sallust 86-34BC

And the winna!: A liar should have a good memory. Plato 427-347 BC

29 posted on 08/22/2004 11:59:49 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: comebacknewt
"Hit him again! Hit him again! Harder! Harder!"

I think someone could make an effective anti sKerry Ad about his attendance at the VVAW,Viet Nam Veterans against the War, meeting in Kansas City I believe it was, where killing several U. S. senators was debated. Skerry first denied that he was there but as evidence that he was grew he changed his response to somthing like, maybe I was there, yes I was there, but I don't remember being there. This is from my less than stellar memory, but people doing an Ad could nail down all the relevant facts.

30 posted on 08/22/2004 11:59:51 AM PDT by lstanle
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To: Texas Eagle
As I understand it, the Swift Boat Vets have until Sept. 2 to do their work, then they are muzzled until the election is over. Is this correct?

If it is correct, Kerry only has to put his head between his shoulders and wait it out, doesn't he?

31 posted on 08/22/2004 12:04:05 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Tacis

Yeah. I'm convinced. Swing voter how? ROFL


32 posted on 08/22/2004 12:06:27 PM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: risk
" "hard to prove truths"

One that wasn't too hard to disprove was sKerry's claim to having been in Cambodia after having been sent by the President, on Christmas Eve of 1968 and having the event double seared in his memory. After telling this fib in many places and formats over decades it turns out to be completley untrue. Once a proven liar, always questioned.

33 posted on 08/22/2004 12:07:03 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: Chaguito

That's a good question. I don't know. This will be interesting.


34 posted on 08/22/2004 12:08:29 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: kattracks
"Kerry’s campaign filed a legal complaint with the FEC to stop the Swift Boat Veterans ads.

In contrast, President Bush never attempted to stop the showing of Fahrenheit 9/11--or anything else. He actually believes in Freedom of Speech.

"This is not a bunch of Republicans going after Kerry. If Kerry were running as a Republican, the attacks would be just the same."

On the other hand, Michael Moore was given a prominent "place of honor" at the Democrat National Convention--which is fitting considering the Democrats' concept of honor and the value they place on it.

"A sign of desperation?"

You bet.

35 posted on 08/22/2004 12:10:36 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: risk

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JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets


http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


...still..!!!

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36 posted on 08/22/2004 12:12:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: knyteflyte3

Do you suppose the Clintons could be behind the Swift Boat Veterans???


37 posted on 08/22/2004 12:12:44 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: Texas Eagle

Kerry's Quagmire. Has a nice ring to it.


38 posted on 08/22/2004 12:13:09 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: kattracks
According to the Fraternization Laws of the military, kerry's Band of Brothers would be his peer officers [almost all are against him] rather than his subordinate crewmen.

See the following link

click here

39 posted on 08/22/2004 12:13:38 PM PDT by Chapita (There are none so blind as those who refuse to see! Santana)
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To: hiredhand

And do your best to discredit the messengers ...which also seems to be exactly what he is doing.


40 posted on 08/22/2004 12:14:54 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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