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Interesting observations on the timing of John Kerry's honorable discharge.
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| 8/21/04
| Glenn Reynolds
Posted on 08/21/2004 12:27:51 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely
I was a little worried bout Kaus's "surprise"
But it turned out to be Rood the dud so I am happy
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:32:56 PM PDT
by
skaterboy
To: skaterboy
Rood was PERSONALLY contacted buy Kerry to "come out" about his service (can you say 'ouch, my arm is being twisted...THAT HURTS!!')...but if you read the article, Rood doesn't refute the SBVT claims against Kerry.
Also, why would Kerry put Rood on the spot???? Rood hasn't spoken of the incident for 35 years and vowed not to speak of it again and is doing NO personal interviews on the matter. Why in hell didn't Rood ask Kerry to sign Form 180, instead of putting Rood out there???? Why doesn't the TRIBUNE sue and go after Kerry's records, just like they did for Jack/Geri Ryan sealed divorce documents???? HMMMM??????? Just asking!!
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:37:53 PM PDT
by
soozla
("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
To: Brian Mosely
How does this discrepancy affect his eventual discharge in respect to his obvious anti-military activities while still technically in uniform?
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:39:23 PM PDT
by
Bob J
(Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
To: Brian Mosely
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:42:17 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: Brian Mosely
This time line is incredible. It would have made any protest illegal. It doesn't matter whether he was active or inactive reserve. Propaganda by a military person during war is treason.
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:44:46 PM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
To: Brian Mosely
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:47:01 PM PDT
by
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
(Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
To: tobyhill
It doesn't matter whether he was active or inactive reserve. Propaganda by a military person during war is treason. As far as treason goes, giving aid and comfort to the emenies of the United States is treason, no matter who does it, military or civilian. As far as being in violation of the UCMJ, being reserve or active matters alot. Reservists not on active duty, nor performing inactive duty training, are not subject to the UCMJ! They retain their full freedom of speech, assembly and so forth, save that they cannot demonstrate or make political statements and so forth while in uniform or in a duty status. An inactive reservist,which is all he ever was once he left active duty, is not subject to the UCMJ, unless in receipt of activation orders and failure to go. In '72 he switched from inactive reserve to "standby reserve".
Technically even retired military (regular or reservist) are "in reserve", even if, like myself, they are not receiving retired pay. Only those who are discharged, and in the case of officers resign their commission, are not longer "in reserve". I suspect that for some reason Kerry did not resign his commision until '78, since his obligated military service time expired in '72. Since he was not an active reservist at that time, he was transferred to the standby reserve.
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posted on
08/21/2004 12:53:12 PM PDT
by
El Gato
(Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
To: tobyhill
The loophole is that there was no declared war.
There is still a possibility that Kerry commited some form of espionage during the period immediately after he returned from Nam, where he had a stateside military job that I recall had access to an awful lot of information (like personnel and activity records, perhaps).
To: litany_of_lies
Even during peace time a military soldier, including active or non-active reserve, can't protest against the government. In the oath one must protect and serve under the authority of the government. Treason maybe not but there must be some UCMJ Law for this. Maybe Unbecoming of an Officer.
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:02:23 PM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
To: El Gato
He became involved with protest in 70 or 71?
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:03:55 PM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
To: litany_of_lies
I think that loophole is closed with the "aiding and abetting" that former POWs can certainly attest to with the North reading Kerry's testimony to them.
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:04:52 PM PDT
by
NavySEAL F-16
(Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
To: Brian Mosely
"Maybe the official US Navy document on John Kerry's website listing Kerry's service dates in the Navy (including the reserve) does not rise to Tom Oliphant's level of verification for use in journalism."Should we start a pool to see how long before this document "disappears" from Kerry's web site?
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:06:37 PM PDT
by
NavySEAL F-16
(Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
To: Brian Mosely
There's more to this! Last time I check the kerrorist stite there were no military records. The pdf listing, here, doesn't say what it is or where it came from. There are other listings/records that indcate the Traitor John's "final" DD-214 wasn't issued 'til 2001.
There is a great time line on "Wintersoldier" but I don't know if that is a detailed as a total release of the actual records could make it.
This pdf says he transferred to the USNR. Some reports suggest that he was released/discharged outright and then, later, rejoined to get into the Reserve.
In any event, this pdf indicates Traitor John entered the "active" USNR on 1/1/70 and then went into the "inactive" USNR on 7/1/72. Where are his reserve attendance records/reports for this 30 months?
As an undecided voter, I would like to see a side by side comparison of W's questiobale ANG records and Kerry's rock solid (but too secret to be seen by normal folks) USNR papers.
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:06:59 PM PDT
by
Tacis
(KERRY: RESIGN AND APOLOGIZE!!!)
To: Tacis
Kerry has his excuse; He was too busy protesting. This is as good as any he could really give.
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:10:31 PM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
To: El Gato
Since he was in the reserves, was he still burning down hooches, raping women and cutting off heads? Where there any unsolved incidents of such in Paris, and specifically around the North Vietnamese embassy?
Or was he in withdrawal, or a Rape/Murder/Head Cutting 12 step program?
I wonder if he's had any remissions? Fall off the bandwagon so to speak?
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:10:38 PM PDT
by
Leisler
(Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:13:40 PM PDT
by
Mo1
(FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
To: Brian Mosely
Hmmm . . . I'm almost certain I remember reading about Kerry's anti-war political activities while he was still in uniform. This would've been in Time or Newsweek, probably in 1970 before the 1971 protests. I remember wondering at the time how he could get away with it.
As I recall, the article said he was "a charismatic young officer" who was still on active duty, had requested a discharge so he could pursue his political career, and that readers should try to remember his name because we'd be hearing much more about him in the future (and I did).
To: Tacis
Ya know you have a point here, if you are active reserve you are supposed to attend meeting.
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:21:51 PM PDT
by
sgtbono2002
(I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
To: Brian Mosely
C.I.C. (Christmas in Cambodia) BUMP
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posted on
08/21/2004 1:28:24 PM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(Who was Madame Binh's messenger boy?)
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