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Alaska Ponders Pot Initiative
Fox News ^ | Friday, August 20, 2004 | Dan Springer

Posted on 08/20/2004 10:08:59 AM PDT by TKDietz

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To: TKDietz

Alaskans are already free to grow their own. Personally, I think it should be left at that.


21 posted on 08/20/2004 10:41:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: TKDietz
Those tables are for use not addiction.
22 posted on 08/20/2004 10:43:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie
"Alaskans are already free to grow their own. Personally, I think it should be left at that."

That's the problem with camels and tents, Wolfie.

23 posted on 08/20/2004 10:45:11 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: TKDietz
"...there is a huge drop off for senior citizens."

Seniors' Drugs of Choice are LEGAL and SUBSIDIZED by the Federal Leviathan...MUD

24 posted on 08/20/2004 10:51:34 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: RightWhale
"Persons kind of have to follow their natural inclinations in Alaska..."

Shouldn't America--the Land of the FRee--err on the side of promoting MORE Personal FReedom, not less?

FReegards...MUD

25 posted on 08/20/2004 10:54:49 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: robertpaulsen

Nahh...there's no excuse for not being reasonable.


26 posted on 08/20/2004 10:56:10 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
"...not being reasonable."

"Reasonable" as defined by whom?!

FReegards...MUD

27 posted on 08/20/2004 11:00:17 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: TKDietz
A question for any that know the answer.

Why is it legal to brew your own beer or make your own wine but it is illegal to make your own liquor?

28 posted on 08/20/2004 11:01:04 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Mudboy Slim
Shouldn't America--the Land of the FRee--err on the side of promoting MORE Personal FReedom, not less?

You might think so.  The Crisco Kid doesn't.
29 posted on 08/20/2004 11:01:15 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Mudboy Slim

That is a good question. There has been a hugh amount of work done on the idea over the past 2-3 centuries. It starts more or less with Kant's work, but nobody can read that stuff, so Hegel, Fichte, and Schilling are a better starting point. Then you can jump a century to Heidegger and Husserl. We could develop the whole thing from scratch again, of course.


30 posted on 08/20/2004 11:01:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: houeto

It's tax revenues behind that. The gov't must have its cut.


31 posted on 08/20/2004 11:02:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: gcruse
Best watch out, the AshBOTS'll zing ya...LOL!! I sure hope Dubyuh finds a REAL Attorney General next term, not this limp-wristed spineless dimwit!!

Ashcroft SUX...MUD

32 posted on 08/20/2004 11:06:51 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: RightWhale

So, there are additional taxes on liquor that are not on beer and wine. Well, I feel stupid. It's always the money isn't it? No wonder they don't let folks grow pot.


33 posted on 08/20/2004 11:08:21 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Mudboy Slim

Uh oh. I just looked at the box my sludge protector came in. It says 'surge.' I'm doomed. ;)


34 posted on 08/20/2004 11:12:26 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: RightWhale
"We could develop the whole thing from scratch again, of course."

I've seen many a PotLegalization thread that takes just such a course...in all seriousness, I believe the WarOnSomeDrugs will never be successful without attacking the Demand side of the equation, and that can only be accomplished via increased random drug testing. In exchange fer this testing, I believe it would be reasonable to de-criminalize marijuana usage and growth and sale. Compared to heroine and crack cocaine and the really bad drugs, it's sorta silly to have pot mixed in there anyway.

To accomplish this, though, you gotta overcome the objections of BigBeer, BigLiquor, and the pharmaceutical industry. Think about it, if you could just grow yer buzz in the backyard garden, it's conceivable that you'd drink a lot less.

FReegards...MUD

35 posted on 08/20/2004 11:14:54 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: gcruse
"I'm doomed."

I smell the faint odor of ozone....LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

36 posted on 08/20/2004 11:16:27 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Wolfie
Reasonable? Oh my. If this passes, I fully expect Alaska to push for the legalization of other drugs.

Using the argument, "Alaskans are independent and I think Alaskans believe people should have the maximum freedom of choice", why stop with marijuana?

But hey, not to worry. The other 49 states are there to help with their federal tax dollars to pay for Alaska's hospitals, drug treatment centers, methadone clinics, welfare assistance, etc.

37 posted on 08/20/2004 11:18:52 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

The state specific tables are for dependence. The age demographic tables were to show the huge drop off in the numbers of people who have tried drugs and those who use them starting with people born around 1950 and dropping off precipitously for those born before then. People born before them are much less likely to use drugs or even to have ever tried them. People born in the late fifties and beyond have more likely than not tried drugs and some of the older ones still use them. Note that 7.5% of those between 45 and 49 in 2002 reported using illicit drugs in the month before the 2002 survey, while less than one percent of those 65% and older reported using illicit drugs in that time period. Only 9.2% of those 65 and older had ever tried drugs while over 60% of the 45 - 49 years olds had. The statistics may not be addiction specific but I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that the 90% of seniors who had never even tried illicit drugs were not addicted to them.


38 posted on 08/20/2004 11:21:00 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: robertpaulsen

LOL! Hype much?


39 posted on 08/20/2004 11:24:03 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: robertpaulsen
"The other 49 states are there to help with their federal tax dollars to pay for Alaska's hospitals, drug treatment centers, methadone clinics, welfare assistance, etc."

Well, let's end this UN-American Abuse of Constitutional Authority then...we shouldn't allow Federal Leviathan excesses to be our justification fer more Federal Leviathan Excess!!

FReegards...MUD

40 posted on 08/20/2004 11:25:52 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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