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Keyes won't back down on reparations
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/19/04 | SCOTT FORNEK

Posted on 08/19/2004 5:27:04 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Don Joe

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541 posted on 08/19/2004 2:12:39 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: cicero's_son
I understand people's gut reactions against this proposal...I really do. It is bound to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

But what I don't understand is why so many conservatives simply refuse to see the benefits of what would amount to a HUGE tax cut. Yes, it is "unfair." Life is unfair. The tax code is deeply unfair. Matter of fact, I think that just about any tax break that someone else gets that I don't is unfair.

This mentality is nearly universal. It is what the Democrats so successfully tap into every time they accuse Bush and the Republicans of "squeezing the middle class" to give a tax break to the rich.

If your sole standard for supporting a tax break is "fairness," then how can you support any tax breaks at all???

This goes beyond "unfair."

It goes beyond "stupid."

It's got to have MLK turning in his grave, fuming in anger, banging his fists against his coffin, screaming "YOU IDIOT!"

This IDIOCY turns back the clock on EVERYTHING positive done with race relations in this country over the past half century.

I remember seeing the Little Rock stuff on the news when it happened, and I was at demonstrations where I listened to Stokely Charmichael. Yes, I was a left-wing radical hippie back in the '60s. I was at the Pentagon in '67 with Abbie Hoffman.

I grew up since then.

And Alan Keyes just took a mega-leap backwards.

This is SO far beyond crazy that it shouldn't even have to be explained. And it HAS been explained to exhaustion, anyway.

So I won't try to explain it again -- the reasons WHY it is crazy.

All I will say is that this is a formula for a race war that will destroy this country -- and that the REASON it was originally proposed (by the left) was *because* it had potential for a race war. It was the ultimate blackmail against whitey. "Give us what we want, or we call for reparations. Either way you lose."

542 posted on 08/19/2004 2:17:01 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
like I'm gonna give that to a guy who saves posts from pulled threads.

Oh, come on, you can trust me :o)

543 posted on 08/19/2004 2:17:16 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

Do you know WHY Robert Johnson went down to the crossroads?

It wasn't to meet Sweet Georgia Brown, that's for sure.


544 posted on 08/19/2004 2:18:26 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: kattracks
I'm sure, if I dig far enough into my family history, I can find an ancestor who was once held as a slave.

Looks like I get exemption as well!

545 posted on 08/19/2004 2:18:31 PM PDT by xrp
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I hate to break it to you, tame, but you're no match for Michael Medved.

The proof is in the pudding, baby. ANYYYYYYYTIME. ANYYYYYWHERE. Medveds not the best debater.

546 posted on 08/19/2004 2:20:21 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Don Joe
I just pissed my pants.

Crybabies tend to do that.

waaaaah! I want the moderator! Waaaaaah!

547 posted on 08/19/2004 2:21:49 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

The irony...


548 posted on 08/19/2004 2:25:10 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: cicero's_son
You once again quoted me selectively.

You added an elipsis, and changed the entire meaning of what I said.

I'll try one more time before writing you off compltely as a troll.

There is a world of difference between "selective" (NO elipsis!) and "selective tax break based on skin color, sexual practices, gender, or national origin".

In the first case, "selective" can mean any damn thing you want, including "selective, based on tax paid -- no tax paid, no tax cut".

In the second case, we have a vile, despicable form of bigotry -- the kind of thing that USED to be frowned upon by civilized people in this land.

Suddenly, we have "conservatives" advocating tax cuts based on race -- and, attacking those who object.

You will pardon me while I pick my jaw up from the floor.

549 posted on 08/19/2004 2:25:23 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

Your reactions are way over the top.


550 posted on 08/19/2004 2:25:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Impossible' is the favorite word of cowards...nothing is impossible with God...)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I might have to take off for a while. But when I come back have the guitar tuned...and have someone here to play it :o)


551 posted on 08/19/2004 2:26:07 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
The irony...

Now, now, I know you don't mean that :o)

552 posted on 08/19/2004 2:27:28 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
most of the pro life FISCAL CONSERVATIVES I know in that area, are voting for Kohn now.

You're so full of it it's laughable.

553 posted on 08/19/2004 2:29:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Impossible' is the favorite word of cowards...nothing is impossible with God...)
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To: tame

"I know he wants to abolish the income tax--take us ALL out from under the yoke of the slave tax."



You have a lot of misplaced faith tame.
Actually this proposal just benefits the blacks. You know, the guys with the skin colored just like Alan?
It's actually quite marxist-racist and appaling to fiscal conservatives all over the midwest.

Many I know in Illinois will now vote for kohn. He is the prolife, small tax, smaller government, conservative, christian, supposedly evangelical christian. He's the libertarian.

Keyes drove away his base his financial base with this.
but is too dense to realise it.
Maybe he is being brilliant in a way that is so unbelievable even other republicans cannot figure it out! right?

By this we now know St. Alan's no conservative.
He's apparently supports the redistribution of wealth based on ones skin color. A triple threat guy: self marginalizing, marxist leaning, and sounding a lot like a jessie jackson racist.

nope. He's not conservative.
I guess some folks would vote for lenin or marx, if they thought they were pro life or of a certain religious flavor.
Chavez purports to be pro life too, right? He's a Castro supporting commie, but he supports the redistribution of wealth too.

but communists cannot be called conservatives.
They are just christian marxists/socialists.

and that branch of "christian socialists" will never take over the republican party.


554 posted on 08/19/2004 2:30:42 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Antoninus
This is Keyes's attempt to pry those same votes away with tax cuts rather than hand-outs.

Money is fungible.

The only people who receive the benefits of tax cuts are those who work.

Wanna bet?

Can you say "Children of Slavery Act/EITC-Enancment"?

555 posted on 08/19/2004 2:31:23 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Got the call this morning.
It's happening as we speak.
Sorry EV.
Your support of his race based tax scheme is gonna sink the pseudo conservative with fisc-cons.

He MIGHT be able to undo it, if he full on repents in public.
He won't.
Get the fork.


556 posted on 08/19/2004 2:32:21 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: EternalVigilance

no its not.
socialist principles of redistribution of wealth along racial lines is NOT OK.

it's morally wrong.
conservative.


557 posted on 08/19/2004 2:33:53 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
whodathunkit?

Doubtful anyone would have.

I can visualize Osamba asking, "Can I say something yet?" and Clinton chuckling, and then answering, "No, wait until Alan's finished digging himself in. Never interrupt the other guy while he's tearing himself down!"

558 posted on 08/19/2004 2:34:08 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

You need to understand that I agree that Keyes said a silly thing about reparations. But, he's definitely against the income tax. I KNOW this. Yes, he'a a conservative.


559 posted on 08/19/2004 2:34:20 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Don Joe
You once again quoted me selectively.

You should be careful with that word! You sometimes forget that you use it!

I think you're just a little too sensitive for this sort of thing. You think everyone is "attacking" you, "strawmanning" you, etc. etc. This is a discussion forum. If you're looking for the "nobody better disagree with me forum," you'll have to ask the mods for directions.

As for this little dispute over whether or not you used the word "selective," what can I say except "who cares?" You said it. It's in your post. End of story. Now, before I converse with you anymore, I may have to have my lawyer draw up an agreement that your wife won't sue me if you have a heart attack.

560 posted on 08/19/2004 2:34:27 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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