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Alan Keyes on Reparations (AK contextualizes his comments)
The Illinois Leader ^ | 8-17-2004 | Chicago Bureau

Posted on 08/17/2004 2:38:57 PM PDT by unspun

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To: nunya bidness
Address slavery while defining income taxes as slavery. Brilliant!

Are you sure there aren't some bad chemicals in those oysters you eat out of the Bay? LOL. Where is my tax holiday? My ancesters (well the ones on my mother's side; the ones on my dad's side were part of the problem, but hey, our gene pool is a mess), had to inconvenience themselves to help stamp out slavery with hot lead from around 1861 to 1865.

381 posted on 08/17/2004 8:19:57 PM PDT by Torie
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To: blanknoone
Many of US here,including blacks,ARE thinking about this and it's ramifications and are appalled by it all!

Why are you "ambivalent" to the race card and racial pandering?

This is NOT the kind of thing one talks about,when one want to reach what's left of GOPers in Ill.!

382 posted on 08/17/2004 8:20:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Don Joe; NYCVirago

It's now eleven here in NY and I have to say I agree with you DJ.


383 posted on 08/17/2004 8:20:35 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
like everyone else seems to be . . .

Not everyone. In fact, I'd say the Keyes fans are the majority.

384 posted on 08/17/2004 8:20:36 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: nunya bidness
Let me know when you get to the rest of my post.

Uh, the rest of your post is fluff.

You'd give tax breaks to Oprah Winfrey because of her skin color.

That's all I need to know.

385 posted on 08/17/2004 8:21:29 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Tribune7

I am getting believe that Keyes even bringing this up was a stupid idea.


386 posted on 08/17/2004 8:21:50 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: nunya bidness
Care to address the factual possibilities of Keye's proposal when the "reparation" is for income tax-free status?

That means if you don't earn income, you don't get a break. It promotes hard work and deflates welfare.

The "factual possibility possiblity" is that IF this abortion is enacted into law, it WILL apply to "every black person, regardless of skin color or national origin", because if it doesn't, the race baiters will be out in the streets chanting "no justice, no peace", and our elected representatives will cave like a house of cards. (They will have already established that much by having voted in this abortion in the first place.)

387 posted on 08/17/2004 8:22:47 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: cyborg
I'd probably vote for Alan Keyes because I think Obama is much worse.

I'd defintely vote for Keyes because I'm CERTAIN Obama is worse. I'm very, very likely going to vote for Specter because I'm CERTAIN Hoeffel is worse.

Flame on.

388 posted on 08/17/2004 8:23:11 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: cyborg

I've explained this,AT LENGTH,to you several times already.I refuse to waste anymore time doing so again,for you to ignore it,yet again.


389 posted on 08/17/2004 8:23:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: cyborg
I am getting believe that Keyes even bringing this up was a stupid idea.

Anybody speaks long enough in public is going to say something stupid. We have to learn to cut slack & stop eating our own.

390 posted on 08/17/2004 8:24:46 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Howlin

NEVER;he doesn't KNOW nor care what the issues are,which concern people in Ill.!


391 posted on 08/17/2004 8:24:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: swheats; NYCVirago
I'm still trying to see how you made the leap of Oprah and Shaq being guaranteed some kind of tax relief. Surely there would be some stipulations for those who managed to make a success of their opportunities.

Surely?

Surely you jest.

392 posted on 08/17/2004 8:25:03 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: sinkspur
Because it's racist.
Of course it is.

the idea that this is just a little kickstart to get some chatter going being passed for "truth" around here is ridiculous. if words mean anything it appears we are running a racist as a republican. defined as one who wants blacks to be tax exempt, for perhaps two generations (70 years), while the rest of the non black population pays taxes.

taxation appportioned by race?

a republican idea?

a conservative idea?

No... virginia, it IS a racist idea!

or is it all just aok with the glory hallers, as long as the guy claims to be RC?

393 posted on 08/17/2004 8:25:12 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: nopardons

I didn't ask you for an explanation did I?


394 posted on 08/17/2004 8:25:17 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
I am getting believe that Keyes even bringing this up was a stupid idea.

It was. As anti-affirmative action as Keyes is, then he goes off and says "I'm gonna give wads of cash to Kobe Bryant simply because he's black."

Inexplicable.

395 posted on 08/17/2004 8:25:41 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Assuming that the tax holiday applies based on slave ancestry, rather than racial ancestry, does one qualify if your ancestors were slaves in another country? Does Colin Powell qualify? How many of your ancestors have to have been slaves? Is just one enough? So many questions.


396 posted on 08/17/2004 8:25:57 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur
No, I don't.

Really? Try not paying your taxes.

Think bigger than reparations. Does the proposal, not the passage, but the proposal itself, overall advance our agenda? Reparations are against our principles, but by a compromise there, can we make up much more than we lose on this front on other fronts?

My "freedom" (and yours too) will not be determined by this faux issue.

My freedom, and yours, will be determined by whether conservatives or leftists control our gov't. This issue could affect that.

domination of the Republican Party means paying ransom to one race of people, I want no part of that domination.

If the price of getting your own freedom from tax slavery is to give it to another group first, you really wouldn't take that deal? People like you will drive the Republican party to irrelevance.

have it in your head that reparations are a burning issue. It's not. Not here where I live, not where you live, not anywhere. There is simply no chance that reparations will ever come to pass. Period.

I agree that reparations are unlikely. And I'm not convinced it is a good idea to propose. However, I do think it is worth thinking about. Reparations are not a 'burning' issue in the sense that there is an overwhelming pressure for action now. But it is an issue among many blacks where I live. They honestly think they are 'owed' And the reason that reparations is very unlikely to come to pass is because R's oppose it on principle, and D's use it to keep blacks on the plantation. It is not in either party's interests to advance it. Maybe, just maybe, it is worth thinking about how to advance it in such a way that it severely damages the D party use of it without horrendously violating our principles. I think that is what Keyes is up to.

397 posted on 08/17/2004 8:27:20 PM PDT by blanknoone (Everything is impossible to those who refuse to try.)
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To: Don Joe

Surely!


398 posted on 08/17/2004 8:27:21 PM PDT by swheats
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To: mhking

You said they won't vote for outsiders. It's been my direct observation in the wards that they have, even when they'd otherwise vote for someone else. Before any of them go to the polls they all ask, "what's in it for them". That's what has to be addressed. That's outside of extraneous reasons that exist, because they otherwise don't have a clue. What would be your suggestion to get the ear of those under the control of the rat machine? Keyes has 2 months, so it's bold and daring we're talking.


399 posted on 08/17/2004 8:29:43 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Tribune7

you catholic too?


400 posted on 08/17/2004 8:30:02 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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