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Floridian's Blaming Jeb Bush For Charley (not joking,barf alert)
Myself | 8-14-04 | my favorite headache

Posted on 08/14/2004 2:02:37 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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To: My Favorite Headache
You might want to link your editorial onto this thread:
HEY, FR! Don't Let the Media "Spin" Hurricane Charley Against FL Gov Jeb Bush and GW!
201 posted on 08/14/2004 6:36:27 PM PDT by summer
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To: My Favorite Headache
Are these the same "friends" you accompanied to Moore's movie?

Unload the ones that don't resemble Baywatch babes.

202 posted on 08/14/2004 6:50:00 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Captain Peter Blood

"....You said it yourself, at the last minute the storm changed course.
Now how can NOAA or any other weather Forecaster predict that?? That is akin to trying to predict tomorrow's weather or global warming.
You can have all of the most sophisticated weather models,"

Captain, Thursday afternoon my wife was watching the forecast on TV. She commented that the hurricane was going to be pushed to the right by the cold front that, at that time was in the panhandle. Later Thursday evening, a TV weather person had just finished their forecast on the late news when the anchor person asked for a replay of the video of the storm movement. The anchor's question was "the hurricane looks like it was turning to the east". The response was it is common for the strom to 'jog'. At that time it had just passed over Cuba. On to Friday. All day Friday, we were told by the media that ALL FOUR models from the National Hurricane Center had the storm sitting in Tampa Bay at 8:00PM. If YOU were a local TV weather person, would you perdict anything other then what NOAA was telling you was going 'for sure' to happen?? Well at 8 PM in the Tampa/St. Pete area we had 5 to 10 MPH winds and a trace of rain; while some of our 'brothers and sisters' in central Florida and east coast Florida lay dead; and many more were homeless. If my wife (a nurse) can see on Thursday that it would turn, and a TV anchor person can detect a turn from a space video, then what excuse does NOAA and the National Hurricane Center's highly educated scientists have for such a forecasting blunder? I don't blame ANY politician. I blame specifically the staff and management of NOAA for shoddy workmanship; and they should be called on the 'carpet' for it!


203 posted on 08/14/2004 6:51:48 PM PDT by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: snapperjk

Maybe your right.
Perhaps an investigation is needed but my main premise is still that any storm, hurricane, etc. can do things that make any predictions an educated guess at best.


204 posted on 08/14/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: snapperjk
Anyone who's in "the cone" and isn't prepared has no one else to blame. That's my opinion...
205 posted on 08/14/2004 8:31:20 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Vietnam veteran against Jean-France Kerry.)
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To: All
I was just watching my local news (See-BS affiliate) so they were running a CBS story on the hurricane. The reporter was asking people if they thought the government "failed them" and didn't do enough to protect their property. Of course the people they were talking to were more than happy to blame the Governor, FEMA, and the NHC.

Some guy who was in charge of disaster readiness for the affected areas was saying that there will be an investigation as to why people either did not get the warnings or did not evacuate.

206 posted on 08/14/2004 8:38:19 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: My Favorite Headache

You know amazes me?

Why didn't the reporter ask "Ma'am, who exactly lied to you?"

Maybe the reporter didn't want to kick a person when they were down but some of these people need to understand exactly how unpredictable weather is.


207 posted on 08/14/2004 8:38:24 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

The only thing that I can predict with certainty right now is that Kerry will be in Florida within a couple of days, promising to spend billions to revamp the "antiquated" NOAA. I wonder how many telemarketers the dems used to convince these people that this was the Bush family's fault.


208 posted on 08/14/2004 9:21:51 PM PDT by meyer
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To: My Favorite Headache

Don't worry. John Kerry will show up and ask his wife to build new houses for everybody. And then he will stretch out his hand, still the waters, walk across Tampa bay and go to Punta Gorda and raise the dead.


209 posted on 08/14/2004 9:27:49 PM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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To: snapperjk
I understand your anger at the loss of your friends but storms are unpredictable.

May I ask how long you have lived on the coast? Last year we had a hurricane that was projected to hit Brownsville Texas. We were ready. It turned late and headed towards Houston and they were ready. It's just a fact of life here. We depend on the weather guys to keep track but we know these storms hardly ever go in exactly as predicted. That's why there is a projected path. As the storm gets closer the path moves accordingly. If you are in the % you just can't let your guard down. I was just talking with someone on another thread where around 9000 people died in the 1900 storm. They did not even have a warning a hurricane out there. I'm grateful that I live during a time when we have NOAA. JMO

210 posted on 08/14/2004 9:28:55 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: kenth

Party of death? Probably. Otherwise, Lawton Chiles would have done the right thing after Andrew and outlawed mobile homes in the state of Florida. Anyone who lives in Florida and resides in a mobile home ought to have their head examined.


211 posted on 08/14/2004 9:31:58 PM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Here's Friday's 11:00 AM advisory from the hurricane center:

AT 11 AM EDT...1500Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE CHARLEY WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 25.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 82.8 WEST OR ABOUT 145 MILES SOUTH OF SARASOTA FLORIDA.

CHARLEY IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH NEAR 18 MPH AND A TURN TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED TODAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 110 MPH...175 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE PRIOR TO LANDFALL ON THE FLORIDA WEST COAST THIS AFTERNOON OR EVENING.

Here's the 1:00 PM advisory:

AT 1 PM EDT...1700Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE CHARLEY WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 25.7 NORTH...LONGITUDE 82.5 WEST OR ABOUT 70 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF FORT MYERS FLORIDA.

CHARLEY IS NOW MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 20 MPH AND THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TODAY WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED. ON THIS TRACK...THE CENTER OF THE HURRICANE SHOULD REACH THE COAST IN THE VICINITY OF CHARLOTTE HARBOR LATER THIS AFTERNOON.

RECENT REPORTS FROM A RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 125 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS...CATEGORY THREE ON THE SAFFIR/SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. THESE STRONGEST WINDS ARE CONFINED TO A SMALL AREA WITHIN A FEW MILES FROM CHARLEYS CENTER.

Here's a 2:00 PM advisory:

REPEATING THE 2 PM EDT POSITION...26.0 N... 82.4 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 20 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...145 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 954 MB.

Ask them which Bush brother stopped them from paying attention to the advisories, and tied them so they couldn't get out of the path of the storm?

The national weather service saw the change at 1:00 PM, and put out an advisory, it went mostly ignored.

212 posted on 08/14/2004 9:38:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Xenalyte
when I mention an IQ test and a current events test as prerequisites for voting, I'm labeled elitist.

It wouldnt' work. The DemoRats would rig the test or cheat in some way. They are All crooked enough that somehow, someway they would stop the Republicans from voting. If it could be done in a fair and honest way it would be an excellent idea.

213 posted on 08/14/2004 9:40:54 PM PDT by jamaly (kneepad liberals make me puke)
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To: txrangerette

Exactly.


214 posted on 08/14/2004 9:54:07 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
At 11:00 AM FRIDAY, AUGUST 13, the National Weather Center posted the probability chart for Charly's landfall between 8:00 AM Saturday and 8:00 PM Saturday as being:

Considering that Punta Gorda is smack dab in between Ft. Myers and Venice, I'd say that the NWC called it right OVER TWENTY FOUR HOURS BEFORE LANDFALL.

215 posted on 08/14/2004 9:55:07 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: meyer

Maybe two...


216 posted on 08/14/2004 10:04:45 PM PDT by Dawgmeister
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Location is accurate, but your dates are off by 24 hours. The storm hit on Friday afternoon not Saturday.


217 posted on 08/14/2004 10:10:28 PM PDT by redangus
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To: redangus

Were they not in the % path though?


218 posted on 08/14/2004 10:19:56 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: annyokie
"...that the Bush brothers will be to blame----somehow."
IIRC, in 15th century one Anna of Middelberg was seen as digging a small hole in the ground, tossing some garbage in and then spitting in the hole. The witnesses were not quite sure about whether she used any incantations, but soon afterwards there was a destructive thunderstorm and local vineyards were damaged. Under interrogation, the aforesaid Anna confessed to being a witch and causing the storm, and was punished accordingly.
Now - has any member of the Bush family ever engaged in similar practices?
219 posted on 08/14/2004 10:40:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: My Favorite Headache

***"we had no idea a storm was coming here..we were told Tampa and north so we went about our business...they lied to us and we lost everything***

People who say this have no business living in the Gulf Coast Region. The smart ones know a hurricane will change course at the drop of a hat. Wish I could send her Hurricane Juan's tracking course of several years ago.


220 posted on 08/14/2004 11:02:24 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (Y)
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