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South Ossetia issues ultimatum to Georgia (Many wars of Georgia)
Russia Journal ^ | August 12, 2004

Posted on 08/12/2004 10:50:56 PM PDT by RussianConservative

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To: Grzegorz 246
"400 thousand of whom Russians, Georgians, Jews, Armenians...they all quickly flee along with 400k Chechins."

After Chechnya declared independent ?

After. Not everyone (including Chechens) likes to live under Wahabi version of Sharia law or to have chance to become a slave.

21 posted on 08/14/2004 4:04:52 PM PDT by A. Pole (Gen Ripper:"I cannot allow communist infiltration, to sap and impurify, our precious bodily fluids.")
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To: A. Pole

I noticed that It's very hard to be objective when someone is talking about his own country/nation with foreigners.
I also have problems with it. So I won't talk anymore about Russia with Russians or about Israel/Jews with Jews. It's just pointless.


22 posted on 08/14/2004 4:16:53 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Since Dudaev came to power in Chechnya in 1991 and Chechen mobs got access to the Soviet Army arsenals, thousands of people in Chechnya were massacred, robbed or raped, and tens, perhaps even hundreds of thousands, had to flee. The majority of victims were non-Chechen, and the reasons for that were first, that it was the Chechens who got all the weapons - everything from kalashnikovs to fighter jets and tanks - and second, that the Checehns still had some sort of protection in the form of clan solidarity and blood feud rules, while all the rest of population (circa 50%) had none since the government structures in the republic had collapsed.

I have more than hundred interviews with refugees of all nationalities from this period conducted by the human rights activist Helena Zaks (who is a Jew and in fact is far from being sympathetic to the Russians). This materials have never been published for fear to instigate violence towards Chechens living in Russia proper. In one of the interviews an old Chechen teacher told, citing his former student who at that time was a high-ranking local police official, that in 1991-1994 on average 10-12 unidentified bodies were found every day in the republic. It is easy to get a lower estimate for the number of people murdered then in Chechnya. Incidents with kidnapping and terrorism also started before the first Chechen war begun. I remember a few cases when the planes were hijacked and taken to Chechnya, but Dudayev refused to extradite the hijackers for it was (in his words) against the "Chechen tradition of hospitality". Shamil Basayev also made his name known already in 1994.

I would recommend you an article by an American professor of sociology who did ample field work in Chechnya and Dagestan.

http://www.untimely-thoughts.com/index.html?art=347
http://www.untimely-thoughts.com/index.html?cat=Feb%203,%202004&type=3&art=346
23 posted on 08/15/2004 12:44:48 PM PDT by FW23
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I know it. I have never said that Chechen are great.
24 posted on 08/16/2004 8:56:27 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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