Posted on 08/12/2004 7:36:00 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
Illegal alien sympathy piece #7,853,672.
Now lets see. Farmers and business get to hire illegals off the books, no taxes no minimize wage . These are not jobs that " Americans will NOT do". They are jobs Americans will not do below minimum wages and no benefits.
Now are they a benefit to this nation that we HAVE to legalize, so that products will stay cheaper?
Well IF we do save a cent or two, if our lawns are cut for 1/2 price, what is the real cost?
Higher school taxes to accommodate the illegal kids .
Higher state taxes to give them better health insurance than most of the middle class enjoys. After they are legal a higher strain on the SS and Medicare program as we start sending $$ to "disabled workers " or workers that only contributed for a few years
I have not one wit of sympathy for the criminals that ignore the laws of America. I have not one intent to vote for one politician that is an apologist for them , or for those that want to make the criminals legal and ignore their illegal employers.
I am disgusted
Oh, I meant "we" as in the US government. Personally, I'm with you and everyone else here.
"It has been said here that we should withdraw foreign aid for such countries, and I agree."
Michael Savage suggested on his show today that we demand oil from Mexico as compensation for taking care of their indigent population. He suggested one barrel for each illegal in the USA.
It's a start. I'm trying to justify an idea I had that directly goes against our constitution. Okay, since Mexico says what a great ally and friend they are to us, they surely wouldn't mind if we rounded up all the able bodied male illegals and pressed them into military service.
Aside from the potential problems (hey it's just an idea), they might run back to Mexico on their own. OTOH, if we waved citizenship, depending on performance and the ability to quickly learn English, at their noses....
Calm down people, it was just a thought. So is the thought of Fox's face going bright purple :-)
That too. It's ALSO being proposed that tuition be waived completely in some cases.
They never have articles like a woman here --- she's from Mexico here illegally, having babies with her common law husband --- also here illegally --- and who very likely has an abandoned family back in Mexico because he's something like 40 years old with 4 preschool age USA born kids -- and it would be highly unusual for someone from his class to not have sired quite a number of kids by his age -- at any rate, they were not a couple in Mexico. He works a few hours here and there --- but since all four of the children are USA born, they qualify for plenty of food stamps, WIC, free health care and the rest --- the mother has never worked a single day in this country.
On this he's right -- and many Mexicans will tell you the same --- there's lots of bandits --- but the border is wide open to them just as it is to the welfare queens, and the occasional hard worker.
We only have 2000 agents? We need 200,000 just on the border and another 200,000 to round up those in the interior, at least.
Which is exactly what I've been saying about those thousands of ME crossing through the Mexican border. There is a huge difference which is more than obvious. Though Vincente doesn't seem to mind the ME's payoffs.
Does it strike anyone else that this is fluff? How the heck did some unknown journalist (notice I didn't say reporter) in VA get an interview, translated at that, with a Honduran who should have already had his rear hauled back across the river?
OK.
I'm convinced. (I've got a weak mind and I am totally ignorant of history and human nature)
The only thing now is I have to figure out, if that is true, why do they keep coming?
I haven't seen this. Who is proposing it?
A recent study, Foreign Immigration and the Labor Force of the U.S.: The Contributions of New Foreign Immigration to the Growth of the Nation's Labor Force and Its Employed Population, 2000 to 2004, by Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston, Massachusetts sez:
"While the incidence of unemployment problems among these new immigrant labor force participants was above the average for native born workers, more than 91 percent of the new immigrants who were active participants in the labor force in 2004 were able to obtain some type of employment. The number of new immigrant employed who came into the U.S. between 2001 and the first four months of 2004 was estimated to be somewhere between 2.064 and 2.145 million while the number of employed native born and established immigrants fell by 1.3 million between 2000 and 2004."
As for the types of jobs immigrants are in agriculture is one area of course. The study however sez:
"While these new immigrant workers can be found in every industrial sector, they are highly concentrated in three sectors: construction and manufacturing, leisure/hospitality/other service industries, and health/education/professional/ business services. . .
"Immigrants are over-represented in these goods producing sectors, especially construction, where they were employed at a rate nearly two and one-half times as high as that of native born workers. Nearly 320,000 new immigrants obtained employment in the nation's manufacturing industries at a time when total wage and salary employment in these industries declined by more than 2.7 million positions." [End excerpt]
The study used Current Population Survey's (CPS) and Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) household survey data -- the Republicans' most preferred of the two types of surveys BLS does because it shows the most jobs. Fine.
But I wonder why neither Party talks about these numbers.
You get the prize. "Interviews" like this are pushed at the media by the hispanic agitation groups (MALDEF, LULAC, La Raza) and the Mexican government (although this one is not about a Mexican, so it probably came from one of the pressure groups).
About a year ago the Denver Post ran a series of sob stories about a poor Mexican illegal who had gone to high school on the Colorado taxpayer dime and now he couldn't afford to go to school at those terribly high out of state rates, and gosh isn't that mean of us? Turned out that the whole series was being run out of the Mexican Consulate: they picked the subject, ran the interviews, gave them to the paper, etc.
It's all about getting more and more gringo cash in their pockets.
That's because the one begets the other. Aliens - legal and illegal - are displacing native born workers because they will work for the lower wage. And typically, the native born are simply fired first and then the foreigner is hired in the aftermath at the lower wage. After that, the newly hired usually use ethnic networking to hire their friends and family - and so, within short order, you have all Mexican construction crews (never call it discrimination, only ethnic white folks are capable of that), and the labor stat that you posted.
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