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A message for China in US naval deployment
Taipei Times ^ | 8/9/04 | Richard Halloran

Posted on 08/09/2004 6:14:08 PM PDT by wagglebee

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the commander of US military forces in Asia and the Pacific has quietly cautioned the Chinese not to miscalculate American capabilities and intentions.

In the last few months, Chinese leaders have repeatedly warned that they would launch an attack on Taiwan if President Chen Shui-bian declared his nation's formal independence from China.

I don't think this is a war that the US or China wants, it would be potentially devestating for both of us. But I am happy that we are prepared to defend Taiwan if necessary.

It's also important to remember that it would never have come to this if Comrade Carter hadn't betrayed Taiwan the way he did back in 1978. Additionally, the billions of dollars that we pour into the Chinese economy aren't exactly helping things.

1 posted on 08/09/2004 6:14:08 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

The Brits gave Hong Kong to the PRC and they weren't expecting it. Emboldened, they've painted themselves in a corner.


2 posted on 08/09/2004 6:21:19 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ExSoldier; judicial meanz
"the commander of US military forces in Asia and the Pacific has quietly cautioned the Chinese not to miscalculate American capabilities and intentions.

In the last few months, Chinese leaders have repeatedly warned that they would launch an attack on Taiwan if President Chen Shui-bian declared his nation's formal independence from China."


By "2005" is less than 4 months away.
3 posted on 08/09/2004 6:52:21 PM PDT by HipShot (EOM couldn't cut the head off a beer with a chainsaw)
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To: wagglebee

Some close second hand info; my son is a "nuke" on a sub in Guam. He is pushing 14 hour days constantly , their alert level is high. It is all business and few times of fun and games. He has expressed nothing but admiration for all his shipmates and their dedication. Their ship and others like it are ready willing and able!


4 posted on 08/09/2004 7:04:12 PM PDT by rsobin
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My own book series projects a potential for hostilities as early as 2006.

I am afraid the only way we can avoid it is to right now economically treat the PRC like Reagan did the Soviets, and not back down.

It would mean terrible financial harship...but not as bad as war will be...but if pushed, we have to be prepared to fight as well, and the Chinese MUST know this, we have to make it very clear to them. Hopefully, that is what Admiral Fargo was about.

5 posted on 08/09/2004 7:20:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: wagglebee
US officials warn privately that Taiwan must do more to help itself if it is to retain American support and should not leave its defense to the US.

They've had it too good too long on the Japanese model - running trade surpluses with the US while under its protection.

6 posted on 08/09/2004 7:21:40 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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IMHO If we were to boycott Chinese goods for 30 days it would teach them a lesson. The bottom line is they need our money and they know it.

They just need an unfriendly reminder from time to time.

7 posted on 08/09/2004 7:23:18 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: rsobin

Hats off to your son.

Let him know he is very much appreciated back here.


8 posted on 08/09/2004 7:25:51 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Were I a Chinese general I think my first strategy would be "Wait until the stupid Americans elect a Democrat as President."
9 posted on 08/09/2004 7:33:06 PM PDT by The Duke
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Were I a Chinese general I think my first strategy would be "Wait until the stupid Americans elect a Democrat as President."

The Chinese don't want a war either. They are fully aware a 'Rat president will give them whatever they want!

10 posted on 08/09/2004 7:35:21 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Last Dakotan

Actually, the US consistently has had a trade surplus with Taiwan due in large part to their purchases of military hardware and aircraft. It may surprise you to know that Ford is the largest seller of automobiles in Taiwan as well.


11 posted on 08/09/2004 7:39:19 PM PDT by Pragmatist (Our Federal Union: Esto Perpetua!)
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Agreed about the reminder...but it would have to be something systemic, where they knew that without significant reform and change on their part, the spicket would not be turned back on.

Treat them as Reagan did the Soviets and they will either change, or implode from within...just like the Soviets did. Only it will take longer and be tougher on us economically since we have allowed the PRC to go so far already.

Otherwise, they will use our own monies to buy, develop, and deploy weapons we will have to fight.

12 posted on 08/09/2004 7:43:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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The quasi war has started...

Taiwan Vice President Annette Lu points to a world map as she briefs media on details of an international forum to be held in Taipei from August 13-15 at a news conference in Taipei, August 9, 2004. Lu said China's deployment of missiles positioned along its southeastern coast will grow to 800 by 2005 and defended her controversial statement that Taiwan and China were in a state of 'quasi-war.' Taiwan and China have been rivals since a civil war ended in 1949. REUTERS/Richard Chung >
13 posted on 08/09/2004 8:21:23 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Taiwan's legislature has yet to appropriate funds and has been haggling over costs.

They apparantly AREN'T serious about defending themselves. Nice knowin' ya, Taiwan.

14 posted on 08/09/2004 9:18:53 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: rsobin

GOD bless every one of them for it!!!!

LLS


15 posted on 08/09/2004 9:37:19 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Yeah, what CHENEY said"!)
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To: Jeff Head

Hi Jeff - I read some clips from your book but have not had time to pick them up. It's on my "someday" list when I am down to working 10 hours a day and can enjoy some good fiction.

I would think the Chinese would launch an invasion into the Middle East for an oil grab and simply use their navy and ballistic missles to slow our delivery of troop deployments and supplies. China's biggest problem seems to me energy, not Taiwan. Your thoughts?


16 posted on 08/09/2004 11:00:29 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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Perhaps we should announce to China that we have 8000 mirvs pointed at China and we will "absolutely not tolerate Chinese independence."

After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.


17 posted on 08/10/2004 2:51:25 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: iThinkBig
In the series they form an unholy alliance with the fundamental Islamic nations who open up a much larger war front on us. While we struggle with that, N. Korea goes south.

As we try to respond to the second front, China makes its move at Taiwan, the South China Sea and into Burma.

When they come into it, an horrific attack is unleashed by tens of thousands of terrorists and sleeper cells (Islamic and Chinese, as well as others) within the CONUS.

World War.

China secures its energy needs through an exclusive agreement with Russia and India regarding Siberia. They also benefit from gains by their allies in the Middle East. Initially, Russia is nuetral in the war.

18 posted on 08/10/2004 4:56:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: wagglebee

I would agree. I personally do everything I can not to buy Chinese-made goods.


19 posted on 08/10/2004 7:41:36 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: wagglebee

I hope all goes well, i.e., nothing happens. The last thing China needs is a war that would cripple it's economic engine.

China depends on the developed nations for market and technology access to move into the 21st century.


20 posted on 08/10/2004 1:56:17 PM PDT by ponder life
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