Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
That's another reason. My rabbi recently did convert a woman whose husband did not wish convert. The only reason he was willing to teach her and present her to the beit din was because both her kids are in their 20's and her husband has no problem living a Jewish life. His only reason for not wanting to convert was that he has dyslexia and thinks he couldn't be able to learn Hebrew and keep up with all the necessary reading that is involved on the road to conversion. Our rabbi has been working with him though, as this was his only stumbling block.
This is laughable because this forum is filled with people afraid to send their kids to a non-conservative college, people who think that Ozzy & Harriet were real, and people that allegedly love freedom of speech unless it criticizes President Bush.
Ozzy and Harriet were real.
They had 2 sons Ricky Nelson who died in a plane crash
and David Nelson...
They were a great family, amny kids wanted them for parents..What family does Kids want on TV now? none...
How is the conversion of minor children handled? Does a child have to be able to speak for him/herself and at what age does that occur?
You said: We don't have laws against free speech.
In most states you cannot smoke near a school. Cigarette ads are not allowed on TV. Alcohol ads are only allowed after certain times. People bitched for months over Janet Jacksons's tit.
Like I said, no I wouldn't want to see these laws in the U.S.. I think my fist would drive home my point to any evangelical that came near my kids.
I am not an Israeli. Therefore, I am not going to impose what I think is correct on them.
Now, why don't you tell me why most evangelicals do not chase after rabbis and yeshiva students? Why go for an easy kill of the secular Jew? Why not be happy for Jews who are observant and teaching their children Torah and Talmud? Would you discourage Jewish parents from trying to raise Jewish children and keep them in their faith? WOuld you prefer it if they did not so that your proselytizing might be easier?
Ask people who grew up in the 50s. Lifewwas not happy happy joy joy. My grandmother found it laughable to see women vaccuming in DRESSES. Or spouses being protrayed as sleeping in seperate beds.
At age 13 for boys, they are bar mitzvah. Literally, "son of the commandments". It's 12 for girls. They aren't fully responsible for the mitzvot until then. Conversions of children under the age of 18 are rare, unless mom and dad are converting and the child wishes to as well. Under bar or bat mitzvah age is relatively unheard of.
Why don't you try to speak to muslims? I mean, besides the fact that they'd kill you.
People in the 50's IMO had more of a life in socializing than most of us on FR do....The reason I like FR so much is that I am a very social person and I don't live near my family or friends and the people that I know close to my house are constantly busy working and when they get off work they just want to go to bed...
Most of my neighbors are slugs, they stay in the house like hermits it was not like that in the 50's 60's and 70's my mom's house when I was a kid was filled with friends and family talking about the ill's of society smoking up a storm! glad that's changed....
What would I speak to Muslims about?
I'm always with friends when not stuck at work. I guess I live around far more sociable people.
"Conversions of children under the age of 18 are rare, unless mom and dad are converting and the child wishes to as well."
That's what I thought.
I didn't think a child could convert until they were fully capable of making the choice for themselves.
By the way, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. :-)
This is what it comes down to. IMO, most people that want to proselytize don't want to get hurt in the process, or intellectually run over. This is why none of them hang around the local yeshiva talking to rabbinical students. They know that they cannot hold a candle to them.
They also don't try to convert muslims, because they know that they'd more than likely ge their asses physically handed to them. Why doesn't JAMM make the jump on over to the Gaza? Because. They feel safer pestering Jews. In fact, they know they are safer pestering Jews.
No problem! Any time. ;-)
Well I work from home and my husband travels alot during the week, weekends are fun but still I live in a neigborhood that's has a pulse of 30
NO first of all, Every Christian knows that there faith is based on the history of the Jewish people so there is a comfort level.
I would never go to a Muslim country I would talk to a Muslim here but I don't know a single one...
Plus I know nothing of the Koran all I know is that the Angel kicked the cajone's out of Muhammed and he started ISLAM
The writers of the Messianic Bible speak to students and Rabbi's of Yeshiva all the time and converse with Orthodox Jews. They speak the same language and understand the Biblical writings of TORAH and the Talmud, Did not Jews speak to other Jews about Jesus before Christianity?
"No problem! Any time. ;-)"
Since you feel that way about it...how about one more? :-)
Could you recommend some books for someone that is interested in learning more about Judaism?
IRVING SALZMAN who went to a Lubavitch Yeshiva found Yeshua.
Bella_Bru
Do you think this person would have any creedence with Yshiva students in dialogue with regards to Jesus?
Irving Salzman's father had survived the Holocaust, and was committed to raising "good Jewish boys." So Irving went to synagogue, attended Hebrew school, and was observant to kashrut (the "kosher" dietary laws) and went to a Lubavitch Yeshiva. He became very active in synagogue life, apprenticing with the local cantor and learned how to be a Torah reader, a position he held for fifteen years.
To meet new friends, Irving was on a chat line one evening, and talking with a born-again Believer. The two told each other about their respective faiths. Every week, this young man would share with Irving the Messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures.
Irving took all of this with a grain of salt as he trusted the wisdom of the rabbinical interpretations of these prophecies over this born-again Christian's understanding.
He thought to himself, "Who is this Gentile Christian and what does he know about the Messianic Jewish prophecies?" Irving later found out that his friend spent hours and hours in the Jewish public library researching all the questions that came up in their weekly conversations.
For an entire year the two debated on the phone, but Irving's trust was solidly in the rabbinical authority. "Can I read to you from the New Testament?" Irving's young friend asked one day. Irving agreed, as he had never heard a word of the New Testament. He was then treated to the entire Sermon on the Mount, when Yeshua (Jesus) spoke the life of faith to the multitudes. "I had not seen anything like this in the rabbinic writing of my youth. I was overwhelmed by the authority, wisdom, and compassion of Yeshua in the Sermon on the Mount," said Irving. "Could we have all been wrong?" This was a hard pill to swallow. It would mean that the Jewish people had seen their Messiah and denied Him and for 2,000 years we have all been telling our people a lie [that Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah]. And so Irving began his own study of the Messianic prophecies.
"I vowed I would not allow the rabbinic interpretations to influence, but let the text show me who He was. After a couple of months I knew that Jesus of Nazareth was the only candidate who fulfilled the prophecies. It was a matter of fact, so I accepted Him as my Savior." Irving Salzman is now a Messianic Rabbi in New Jersey. He has been an outreach worker with Chosen People Ministries, reaching hundreds, maybe thousands of people with the truth of Yeshua, giving them the opportunity - much like he had - to find their Savior.
Maybe so, but that's different from arguing that people should be arrested for saying non-conservative things to their kids. If any freepers advocate such suppression of free speech, I'd call them on it, the way I'm calling you on your support of suppressing of religious speech that you don't agree with. Again, the closest analogies to your position - or the position you want Israel to enforce - is what we see in the Muslim countries, and what we saw in the Soviet Union: no free speech for Christians. Israel shouldn't go that direction.
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