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Jamming for Jesus
Jerusalem Post ^ | July 29th, 2004 | Jenny Hazan

Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme

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To: Kerfuffle; Piranha; anotherview; malakhi; missyme; Bella_Bru
Amen. The scary part here is that Another View, Pirana, SJackson, Malaki, etc. want CHIRSTIANS IN ISRAEL JAILED FOR PREACHING THE GOSPEL.

Nasty stuff, kerfie. Let me review the thread.

You said

Intriguing, AV. So you truly would prefer to see your own children blown apart by bombs set by Hamas murderers than see them accept Jesus as their Savior?

Convert or die, straight from the Hep! Hep! Hep!’ cult of Christianity, fortunately an anomaly in America, but it exists.

I was pretty nice. I could have responded to your convert or die admonition by telling you to go *uck youself, but I was nice. I told you.

DROP DEAD!

And, so you didn’t take offence, I even explained that that was the advice given Jews by Reverend David Brickner, executive director of Jews for Jesus, in responding to evangelists who won’t take no for an answer. I’ve a feeling he’d have a stronger response to your convert or die admonition, it’s not very Christian.

From that you’re I’ve struck fear into you for advocating the jailing of evangelists in Israel, an extremist personal attack? You’re full of it Kerfuffle, and it’s pouring out of your ears and nose and onto the keyboard.

I have no problem with Christians obeying the law in Israel. Evangelizing kids is illegal, so is paying converts. Usually the lawbreakers are deported, or their kiddie ministries shut down. It’s their law, clearly contemptuous to you, but you don’t live there. I’m not aware of arrests, I’m sure there has been one somewhere. You can research it. I’d suggest starting with the National Alliance and Stormfront archives, if it’s happened, they’ll know.

Anyway, it’s been fun talking to you, in Theresa’s words, take your you truly would prefer to see your own children blown apart by bombs set by Hamas murderers than see them accept Jesus as their Savior? stuff and “shove it?”

BTW, nice to see you back “newbie”, whoever you are.

341 posted on 08/03/2004 5:11:58 PM PDT by SJackson (My opponent has good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results, GWB)
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To: missyme

My facts are straight, and so am I. I still believe people have to choose to sin or not on their own. That choice cannot be forced upon them by government. Believing that does not make me a hyporcrite.

Why do I even bother? You are hopeless. Don't you understand that freedom includes the freedom to choose between the right thing and the wrong thing?


342 posted on 08/03/2004 5:13:16 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: anotherview

Well in a way yes the world is bcoming more enlightned by the Tidal Wave of Christianity that is happening in 3rd world countries and through-out Asia in fact there are more Christians in Asia than Buddhists, posted an article on that, you must of missed it.

More people turning to Christ now a days than ever before in history, GOD is smarter than what you give him credit for..Jesus is coming.....Come Lord Jesus...


343 posted on 08/03/2004 5:13:54 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Piranha
"I believe that the religious Christian community (including denominations like the Assyrians) is the best friend of the Jewish people. "

Thank you, I hope we continue to be worthy to be called your friends.

Forcing us to offer up our children for conversion as the price for this friendhip is like sacrificing our children to Baal as the price of the protection of our community.

Ew. I certainly hope that we've not tied the two and made the one a condition of the other.

As a Christian I fear my kids will be swayed by another religion. To guard against that, I teach them enough scripture, and I teach them enough about why we believe certain things and don't believe certain things, that they are less likely to be tempted by other groups, because they can always go back to scripture and see what God has said.

I would think you would be doing the same. Of course, the way I see it, Christianity is more compatible with the Old Testament than current Judaism is. So I see where your kids are vulnerable, but in my view, they are only vulnerable because the Jewish scriptures point to Jesus.

344 posted on 08/03/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: anotherview

Answer me this is Homosexuality a Sin or not?


345 posted on 08/03/2004 5:15:53 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Now you call me a liar. You forget that threads on Free Republic are archived for a VERY long time. I've been here four years. I'm sure I can dig up where we argued before and all your wonderful, closed minded posts. Do you want me to do that? Think before you answer. You may not like it if I do, and I will.

You see, I place such a high value on the truth that I make sure I can back up anything I can say.


346 posted on 08/03/2004 5:16:29 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: missyme
Answer me this is Homosexuality a Sin or not?

It is an abomination in the eyes of G-d. So is eating shellfish.

I still think people have the right to eat shellfish even if I choose not to. I still think people have the right to be gay even if I choose not to. It's called freedom. Whether something is sinful or not is irrelevant if you believe in freedom of choice. So long as someone isn't hurting anyone else or violating anyone else's rights I don't think it should be illegal or banned. Righteousness is something someone should choose, not be forced into.

347 posted on 08/03/2004 5:19:38 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: DannyTN
What if they were local Christians instead of Foreign missionaries, would that make a difference?

This thread is way off topic. The article isn't about evangelizing, it's about evangelizing minors.

Is it really an imposition on Christians to wait till the prospects are of an age to understand the message, and either understand or reject it? Why would you want to convert a 15 year old under the guise of, the example in the article, telling him Baptism is a Jewish ritual. I don't see this as a controversy.

348 posted on 08/03/2004 5:20:10 PM PDT by SJackson (My opponent has good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results, GWB)
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To: missyme
"Another View, Pirana, SJackson, Malaki,...MAlakhi, SJackson are really good freepers and are honest about the issues they beleive in.

Save your breath, I think I've suggested to you before that there are a few Christians that don't much like Jews. You won't change their minds, any more than you'll convert me.

349 posted on 08/03/2004 5:21:59 PM PDT by SJackson (My opponent has good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results, GWB)
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To: DannyTN
So I see where your kids are vulnerable, but in my view, they are only vulnerable because the Jewish scriptures point to Jesus.

Ah... another prostletyzer. No, Jewish scriptures do not, in any way, point to Jesus, unless they are interpreted through the filter of Christian belief.

Tell me, how much Jewish scripture have you read? Are you a Talmudic scholar?

350 posted on 08/03/2004 5:22:08 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: anotherview

That's your opinion that surely does not come from the mouth of GOD, how insulting, so tell me why did GOD bother destroying Soddom and Gommorah? Why did he turn Lot's wife into Salt???????


351 posted on 08/03/2004 5:22:36 PM PDT by missyme
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To: followerofchrist; anotherview; Piranha
"with all due respect, had it not been for Christian nations, there would be no Israel today. If it hadn't been for Christianity, Judaism may have been lost in history."

I'm going to dissagree with you. Lev 26, says that if Israel obeyed God they would live at peace in their land. If the disobeyed they would go into exile. If they repented they would be restored to their land. If they didn't repent, God would still not utterly destroy them in order to keep his promise to Abraham.

Thus, while God may have used Christianity to help restore Israel, He would have restored them regardless.

It's a bad argument to tell Jews they owe their existence to Christians. They don't. They owe their existence to God.

352 posted on 08/03/2004 5:23:35 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: anotherview; missyme
It is an abomination in the eyes of G-d. So is eating shellfish.

A most accurate and insightful comparison.

353 posted on 08/03/2004 5:23:55 PM PDT by SJackson (My opponent has good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results, GWB)
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To: missyme

Actually, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, not Christianity. Does that mean Mohammed got it right?

You still try to prostletyze. You are truly clueless and hopeless.


354 posted on 08/03/2004 5:24:04 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: SJackson

Well you know me Love Jesus and Kitties and I know threads surely can get carried away when talking about these Topics....


355 posted on 08/03/2004 5:26:14 PM PDT by missyme
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To: SJackson
It is an abomination in the eyes of G-d. So is eating shellfish.

A most accurate and insightful comparison.

Thank you. I choose to do neither, but because I choose to defend the freedom to make the choice I am attacked.

356 posted on 08/03/2004 5:27:17 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: anotherview

WRONG AGAIN! Do your homework....Check out Africa, Asia, Korea read the article I posted...ISLAM is on it's way out....


357 posted on 08/03/2004 5:27:57 PM PDT by missyme
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To: followerofchrist; missyme
"I won't fight to the death to support Israel, because Christ didn't command that. He commanded that we love our Christian brothers and sisters. Why should I then? "

Because Jesus commanded more than that. He commanded that we love our neighbors as ourselves regardless of whether they were Christian or not. As long as Israel is minding their own business and being attacked by their neighbors I believe it is right for us to go to their defense. I believe it's what God would have us do. And it's why we've been blessed and made into the world's superpower.

358 posted on 08/03/2004 5:28:00 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: anotherview; SJackson

There are many passages in scripture condeming homosexuality, if marraige is sacred where does that leave fornication and homosexuality?


359 posted on 08/03/2004 5:35:12 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Piranha
"What if my faith depended on my bringing you into my faith?"

Poor choice of words but I see what your are trying to say.

What bothers me, is why aren't you? You are commanded to rebuke you neighbor. If Jesus isn't the Son of God, we Christians are committing big time blasphemy. Why aren't you warning us.

Leviticus 19:17 - Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Ezekiel 33:8 - When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Love demands that we say something. If the choice is between bringing up uncomfortable subjects or letting you die in disobedience to God, I'm going to irritate the crap out of you every time. And I just pray that you will see through to my motive and forgive me for it. And still count me as a friend, even if we dissagree.

360 posted on 08/03/2004 5:39:04 PM PDT by DannyTN
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