Jamming for Jesus

Jerusalem Post ^ | July 29th, 2004 | Jenny Hazan

[Bella_Bru]

I do believe some Freeprs on this thread are totally incapable of understanding that concept.....

Just as you are incapable of understandgin that one not need be Christian to be a good, decent, and ethical person.

Have you never known anyone who was not religious (which is your world means not Christian) who gave to charity and cared about people? If not, you must have never met anyone outside of your church.

[malakhi]

Saul was also defending Judaism

Saul was a Roman citizen, and there is evidence that he had connections both with the Herods and within the imperial household in Rome. He wasn't "defending Judaism"; he was collaborating with the Romans and the puppet government and high priesthood in Jerusalem to root out subversives.

Fighting Christ Himself is a tough fight.

"Christ" is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word moshiach. Since Jesus wasn't the messiah, I'm not "fighting 'Christ' himself". My opposition are those who, believing themselves to be acting in the name of a Jewish rabbi who died 2000 years ago -- and who was himself Torah observant -- try to persuade Jews to abandon the Torah.

As others have said, I have no beef with Christians who do not try to proselytize us. Live and let live.

[Manic_Episode]

"Going after a child is disgusting. I am certain someone here will justify it."

Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

[cookcounty]

"missyme seems to be unable to grasp that God may have different plans for different peoples. She assumes that there is only one path to salvation- through Jesus. "

The little problem though is that Jesus said "no man comes to the Father except through me." And he said it to a Jewish audience. Furthermore, if there was no need for his Atonement, it doesn't make sense that he did it.

Christians are free to accept the "many paths to God" concept only if they turn their back on the direct teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.

[Manic_Episode]

"Saul was a Roman citizen, and there is evidence that he had connections both with the Herods and within the imperial household in Rome. He wasn't "defending Judaism"; he was collaborating with the Romans and the puppet government and high priesthood in Jerusalem to root out subversives."

Paul , formally Saul, describes himself:

Acts 26:4
"The Jews all know the way I have lived ever since I was a child, from the beginning of my life in my own country, and also in Jerusalem. 5They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee.

And again:

Philippians 3:4

though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.

[missyme]

I will tell you this, Through-out my life people I have known who did not know GOD or the hope that Jesus can give them have been abusers of drugs alcohol, sexually permiscuous because they let those vices try to fill the voids in there life.

I was not raised in a religious home and my family consists of christians and jews and some who still do not believe in GOD.

I have been exposed to many sects of christian and jewish houses of worship since I was a little girl but none of it touched me in a personal way.

Until my life became un-manigable I got on my knees and prayed to Jesus with all my heart and soul and he showed me he is real and changed my life 1000%. He is real just like if I met you in person you would be real..

I don't know without a doubt if everything in the Bible I read is correct but I do know Jesus is real and his message of love hope and salvation is wonderful for everyone to hear....

[Bella_Bru]

So your scripture backs up chasing after someone's kids? Not even 10% of the Christians on FR would agree that proselytizing to someone's kids is ok.

And if that ever happens to my kids when I have them, said person will have to have a 'talk' with me.

[Paved Paradise]

You are right; I would be grieving if my kid joined a cult, but there's a big difference between a cult and just joining another religion; adults do it all the time. My point is not to insult anyone Jewish. However, to equate the mourning for this with the mourning a parent would feel over a child who has died is really feeble.

[Bella_Bru]

Some Orthodox also mourn if their child marries a non-Jew. Especially if it is their son marrying a non-Jewish woman.

[missyme]

THE USA has always been the most powerful country since forever, everyone needs us more than we need them.

But one thing that I am trying to understand just to share with you is I do not see the USA in the endtimes prophecy scenario, some say that is because most of the beleivers will be raptured leaving the majority of un-beleivers in the world to go after Israel, I am not sure if I adhere to that theory yet.

I do see that with the growing Anti-Semitism in Europe the hate from the ARAB World that unless the USA is here to help Israel GOD will be the only one to intervene.

So if you could answer this, if in your lifetime you see what some call the Rapture millions of people dis-appear from earth, would that be enough for you to believe Jesus is the Messiah?

[Kerfuffle]

A true Christian must by definition be a "prostletyzing" Christian.
According to your definition, most Christians must not be "true Christians", then.

And, according to Pirana (as I recall) most Jews aren't "real Jews." Here's praying that, every time a soul-winning Christian is booted out of ANY Middle Eastern country, 10 more come to take his place.

[malakhi]

"Saul was a Roman citizen

Certainly you can agree with this?

So the tribune came and said to him, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" And he said, "Yes." (Acts 22:27)

and there is evidence that he had connections both with the Herods

Greet my kinsman Herodion. (Romans 16:11)

and within the imperial household in Rome.

I have received full payment, and more; I am filled, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent ... All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household. (Philippians 4:18,22)

Epaphroditus was secretary to Nero and Domitian, and the sponsor of Josephus.

He wasn't "defending Judaism"; he was collaborating with the Romans and the puppet government and high priesthood in Jerusalem to root out subversives."

But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. (Acts 9:1-2)

Paul was acting on behalf of the high priest, a Sadducee and Roman appointee, not on behalf of the Pharisees, who (according to Acts) had a benign view of the Nazarene movement.

[Skooz]

You are wasting your time on this thread. These threads always disintegrate into otherwise reasonable people spewing their vomitous hatred and exorcising their seething rage by pounding the keys on their keyboard.

[missyme]

My mother lost her son (My brother) at 17 years old to a drunk driver, I will tell you this he could of married a Jew a Black or been a homosexual if she could of seen her child grow up and to share the love she had in her heart for him.

How ignornat to say if your child marries outside a religion he is the same as dead, try telling that to my mother...

[RnMomof7]

I was always taught that it was wise to look for an inside room and pray.

God's best blessings to all

[Bella_Bru]

I am sure you will embrace your Hindu son-in-law or daughter-in-law.

[malakhi]

THE USA has always been the most powerful country since forever

Should be:

THE USA has always been the most powerful country since forever 1918.

So if you could answer this, if in your lifetime you see what some call the Rapture millions of people dis-appear from earth, would that be enough for you to believe Jesus is the Messiah?

No.

The only way Jesus could be acknowledged as the messiah is if he were to fulfil ALL OF the messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures. The rapture isn't one of them.

[missyme]

I know I always do this....Need to pray and ask GOD why?

I have a meeting at 2:00 today and have to prepare for that......

[missyme]

I would rather see my loved one alive rather than dead no matter what. If I had a hindu in the family good for me! I will teach him to love Jesus and accept his salvation..


I am not afraid of challenge and controversy that's for sure

[missyme]

OKay so if you "Do" see millions of people that have dis-appeared on earth no thought at all that Jesus is on his way..you will just ignore it and go about your business?