Posted on 08/02/2004 3:58:04 PM PDT by Renfield
When science lacks proof it is called 'theory'.
I suspect that religion and science won't merge (and God won't emerge) until we are able to step back one microsecond before the big bang.
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I don't know much about this - is koine Greek different from Greek? What language was the Old Testament written in? Hebrew? Aremaic?
Why were they in a different language? Maybe just a sign of cultural domination by Greeks in those days............
At least two problems associated with the extra hydroxyl group in ribose may be noted. First, the additional bulk and hydrogen bonding character of the 2'-OH interfere with a uniform double helix structure, preventing the efficient packing of such a molecule in the chromosome. Second, RNA undergoes spontaneous hydrolytic cleavage about one hundred times faster than DNA.
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Structural stability is not a serious challenge for RNA. The transcripted information carried by mRNA must be secure for only a few hours, as it is transported to a ribosome. Once in the ribosome it is surrounded by structural and enzymatic segments that immediately incorporate its codons for protein synthesis. The tRNA molecules that carry amino acids to the ribosome are similarly short lived, and are in fact continuously recycled by the cellular chemistry.
Whales evolved from land-dwelling mammals. There is actually a very clear evolutionary chain from them, if you bother to do a Google search. Whales are evolving today, too, as the potential speciation amongst Orcas shows. Whales do not seem to be evolving into gill-breathers.
Genetic mutations in recorded history have never produced a useful mutation.
DNA was discovered in the 20th century. Throughout most of recorded history, people did not even know to look for genetic mutations.
When it can't defend itself, it generates abberations and never has been observed to generate one that was useful.
Ah, the "No benefical mutations argument." Paging jennyp.
Koine Greek was the common man's greek. Greek is a lot like japanese in that different classes of people speak the language differently. The Romans dominated the culture of the day but everybody still spoke Koine. A lot of Jews at the time spoke Aremaic and Hebrew and there were other languages spoken too so everybody spoke Koine Greek in marketplaces and public places. It made the most sense to write in Greek because it would be most widely understood.
The reason the Old Testament was written in Hebrew is because it was written by Jews to Jews. It made sense for it to be writtne in HEbrew.
You mean "invincible ignorance." ;)
The genetic mutation in feline leukemia virus that allowed this virus to infect dogs is an example of a beneficial mutation. (It seems to be dated to Canada in 1972. Blame Canada!)
Getting back to your original point about Big Bang/Evolution...
Big Bang - This is actually not a huge problem with many creationists. All that it says is that our universe had a beggining (i.e. In the Beginning God created...) Many Creationists will tell you that a Big Bang requires a Big Banger. It's called "Creatio Ex Nihilo" or creation out of nothing. The Evolutionist has a serious problem because the First Law of thermodynamics says that matter (energy) cannot be created or destroyed. The Creationist belief that something outside of our universe was the causal agent for the starting point of the universe is supported by the "Creatio Ex Nihilo" belief.
Not really. We haven't started slaughtering each other yet.
Life is full of all too many people who will never understand the concepts of facts, evidence, or science. And this thread provides ample evidence of that theory.
FLat? Uh OH KAY Mr. "Radio Astronomer", but thats not what I see when I look at the sky. Putting on my tinfoil suit now and looking for the black helicopters.
(Hi there RA!)
Your link is off on a few points. First, RNA can form a uniform double helix; it just needs to be in the A-form, not the B form. Second, RNA can from stable long-lived structures; the ribosome is one. It is true that RNA is hydrolytically labile; but remeber our DNA lasts 70 - 100 years. Shorten the lifetime by an factor of 10,000, and it's still plenty long for a primitive unicellular organism
Big Bang Theory supports creation...
Makes you wonder how the Alamo defenders ever lost. All they had to do was say "There's no one out there! There is no besieging army! There are no Mexicans! We are winning!"
Dear God, you're kidding, right? After everything I, and several others, have pointed out to you as to why "buoyancy sorting" does not account for what we see, you're just going to "dismiss it out of hand."
That's creationism for you.
Now that is a reasonable and sensible post.
No the latter is not dogma. Christian scripture arrives as a revelation from Prophets through whom God has spoken to man. So to say it is merely Dogma is to mistate the record.
The same cannot be said of creationists. They (unlike scientists) don't eagerly look for data that might disprove their theory. Rather they feel threathned by such findings and look only for data that supports their views.
Now you've shown that you've drank the koolaid. Everything researched in science by non-Christians and by many who call themselves christian is done in light of evolution - everything. Facts are only worthwhile if they support evolution. If they don't, they tend to disappear or be judged as (contaminated, abberant, etc). And it isn't as though one needs look very far to find flagrant examples. Deep coal deposites. Yep, everyone in your camp is probably on the defensive now and ready to use the word "contamination". I'm sure they're not prepared to explain man made objects found in deep coal deposits ROFL. Must be contamination as well - which is why it was embedded in the deposits. Right. Dirty little creationists using transporters to beam objects into coal deposits - oops, transporters don't exist. And the carbon levels are screwin up our lie. Time for a cover story. Have some more koolaid and the headache from the truth might go away - maybe.
It's only a problem if you believe the current energy of the universe is non-zero.
Take it easy, guy. Your tinfoil is getting detached, and leaving gaps for the mind-waves to get in.
Okay, now I know I'm arguing with a grade schooler. Adaptation is evolution. Mutation, genetic selection, sexual selection, natural selection, whatnot, are mechanisms of evolution.
Learn a little science and get back to me.
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