Bush bashing is not really about Bush

FPM ^ | 7/29/04 | David Horowitz

[cricket]

"The secular left is foolish enough that it thinks it can collaborate with radical Islam in destroying the West yet somehow co-opt or outflank Islam at the end of the game. But they are wrong; the Islamists would crush them if it ever comes to that point."

The Islamist do not suffer fools gladly; the Left remains blind however. . .

Hitler shared his strategies of hate with Islamic mullahs or whatever. . .and with the same mind you mention; had Hitler won. . .there would be a different history moving the Middle East post WW2.

[Rebelbase]

"I suggest that this barrage against Bush is little more than payback by the liberals for what they perceive to be Conservatives destroying the legacy of Bill Clinton."

Bingo! Everytime I get into discussions with liberals about their Bush Hate they always bring up the way Conservatives despised Clinton.

[inquest]

In my opinion, the vast majority of the secular-left doesn't think far enough ahead to even consider the end game. They are mostly mental midgets that are unable to think beyond the current move.

Don't be so confident in that assessment. They were able to take over the press, academia, entertainment, public opinion, and politics, through patient, step-by-step progress. They most certainly have a long-term agenda.

[cricket]

"The motto of the 60s radical feminists was, "the personal is the political".

Think this goes to the Marxist denial of the importance or relevance of the 'individual'; and personallly expressed against the those who stand in opposition to their own power and 'vision'.

Truth has nothing to do with what these people bring to the table to publish about their enemies. They are truly on a marxist 'jihad'.

David has taken the time to go past the 'story line' and into the cold heart of the matter.

I am doing a kind of short/simple 'primer' of facts . . .a easy connect the dots; for. . .some family attending University and having hard time keeping focused on the trees. . .for the Liberal forest out there.

Think we cannot take anything for granted here! If nothing else; could help, to just direct them to David's 'Frontpage Magazine' . . .and of course, Free Republic ;^)

[cricket]

"Then I saw the "RE-DEFEAT BUSH" sticker on the bumper. I ...looked.. at the driver, accelerated and drove away."

. . .I am sure he understood. . .

I find myself responding with feelings 'great hostility' - so far, controlled - and amazement of such collossal ignorance; driving a car yet - whenever I see a car with Democrat 'stuff' on it.

OTOH; I have my Bush/Cheney/Repub Senator and War-Eagle and flag emblem. . .

Am so glad that I am not 'one of them'. . .

[onyx eyes]

I been opposing them - the radical left for years now. They are a cancer rotting the soul of this great country.

[onyx eyes]

I would argue that you can't argue with the Radical Left. They are not to be "tampered" with. Or, diddled with. Or - Hell, you can't even ask them if they may be a tad off-centre about kissing the terrorists on each cheek, already!

[JustaCowgirl]

I suggest that this barrage against Bush is little more than payback by the liberals for what they perceive to be Conservatives destroying the legacy of Bill Clinton. "How dare they not genuflect to Billy Jeff. We'll show 'em."

It's as if Central Casting sent them a perfect whipping boy--a ex-oilman conservative from Texas who is not the most eloquent of speakers. Add the "stolen" election and it's wet dream time for them.

You are dead on the money, in my opinion. His genuineness, his macho manly demeanor (which is quite real), his lack of glibness, lack of pretense, all feed their elitist prejudices. 'He's from TEXAS, omg, how can you STAND it, my dear. And he can't talk at all, uses that funny hillbilly accent! It simply won't do.'

[JasonC]

I am not sure everyone appreciates the claim Horowitz is making here. He has carefully distinguished between "the hard left" and the democratic party, and the moderate left. By the hard left he means communists. The real deal communists. His claim is that they have now taken over the democratic party, on a platform of anti-Americanism.

I think this is partially true, but only partially. Another component of the problem is naive pacifism, being used by the hard left. In a way this is a longer term, culturally implanted version of Horowitz's thesis, but there is a difference. It is one thing for a hard left strategy of peddling relativism and moral equivalence and pacifism to pay off in internal weakness - and another for actual cadres of out and out thugs to have grabbed the reins of a major American political party.

The thesis is not absurd. But at the moment I'm inclined to say it is "not proven". There are people trying to do this, I am well aware. It is not clear they have actually succeeded. If you like, the issue concerns the ratio of deep stupidity vs active malice within Dem ranks. Horowitz is basically saying, unless and until the merely stupid ones run the malicious ones out on a rail, the Democratic party is essentially a hostile power. Hostile not just to Republicans or to Bush, but to the country.

[swilhelm73]

Mike Moore has taken to actively supporting the Islamists in the WoT. In his own words they are the good guys. As we've seen the Democrat party genuflecting before Mike Moore the argument can no longer be made that the wild eyed fanatics of his sort are no more then the extremist fringe of the Left.

Thanks to effective propaganda and large cash donations the hard left has managed to in two years completely take over the Democrat party and the Left as a whole. The preparations have been in the works for a long time, but the WoT, and especially the war in Iraq, gave them the motivation to pull of their little coup.

I think that Horowitz is right on here, though philosophically the far Left that has risen to dominance is not so much communist as fascist in nature.

[Sivad]

If it is true that this issue goes far beyond GW then it
would seem that there is an element of the Democrat party
that will be left (pardon the pun) behind by these foaming
at the mouth nimrods. Could those be the contemporary ver-
sion of Reagan Democrats? Without further alienating his
base should GW attempt to cultivate these "potential"
Bush Democrats? Is it too late in the game?

[loveliberty2]

What it is all about and was all about in 2000 was put very plainly by Al Gore last week: they do not want George W. Bush appointing Justices to the Supreme Court.

The issues of right to kill unborn children and right to same-sex marriage are so important to the Left that it will make whatever concessions to whatever collaborators it can get in order to control the Judiciary Branch of the United States Government.

[swilhelm73]

The issues of right to kill unborn children and right to same-sex marriage are so important to the Left that it will make whatever concessions to whatever collaborators it can get in order to control the Judiciary Branch of the United States Government.

The srtagne thing here though is that while the left has been in love with infanticide for decades, gay marriage became a defining issue very quickly. I think it tends to show just how arbitrary their views are.

Heck, in the beloved nation of Cuba, which leftists are calling the conscience of the Western Hemisphere to this day, homosexuality is an imprisonable offense.

[JasonC]

No, if that were all it were they would do a much better job of acting like patriots on the war, since they clearly think that is the right electoral play. But they have not remotely been able to restrain themselves for the past year and a half. They are foaming at the mouth in opposition to the WoT, even though they know that is politically harmful (as their late attempt to keep it under their hat at their convention shows).

I think you underestimate how central the pacifist and cold war era, foreign tyrant-excusing alliance is to the core of the modern democratic party. They've been doing it since Mao was in fashion. It just isn't on the fringes anymore, it is front and center and an out of control passion. They believe it to the tips of their toes - that any use of force by the capitalist west in defense of itself is the incarnation of evil.

[JasonC]

They were programmed to be against that kind of thing. For decades. By organized foreign powers and alliances.

[joebuck]

I too think Horowitz is right on the money. What stumps me is how the radical leftists can't figure out that even if they are successfull in helping the radical muslims achieve their goals, theirs will be the first heads that get chopped off. The pagan hollywood infidels won't last five minutes when Baghdad billy comes riding around the corner. The left's hate is so great that they are willing to go on a suicide trip to keep the other side from prevailing. It's like a moth into the flame. Strange days indeed.

[cricket]

In my opinion, the vast majority of the secular-left doesn't think far enough ahead to even consider the end game. They are mostly mental midgets that are unable to think beyond the current move.

These people are patient and determined. . .Many of the following goals now stand as irrelevant; as they have been achieved; but some they are still doggedly working on. . .check it out; much of this should look familiar. . .

THE 45 GOALS OF the AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY

*All 45 Goals above are from "The Naked Communist", pp 259-262, Author W. Cleon Skousen, Nov. 1961.

Am sure this list is essentially obsolete; as most of these goals have been accomplished. . .

1st Goal: U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2nd Goal: U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3rd Goal: Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4th Goal: Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5th Goal: Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6th Goal: Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7th Goal: Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8th Goal: Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9th Goal: Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10th Goal: Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. [page 260]

11th Goal: Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12th Goal: Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13th Goal: Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14th Goal: Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent office.

15th Goal: Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16th Goal: Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17th Goal: Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18th Goal: Gain control of all student newspapers.

19th Goal: Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20th Goal: Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21st Goal: Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.

22nd Goal: Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23rd Goal: Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive meaningless art."

24th Goal: Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling [page 261] them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25th Goal: Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26th Goal: Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27th Goal: Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28th Goal: Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29th Goal: Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis.

30th Goal: Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31st Goal: Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32th Goal: Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33rd Goal: Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34th Goal: Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35th Goal: Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36th Goal: Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37th Goal: Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38th: Goal: Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police [page 262] to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39th Goal: Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40th Goal: Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41st Goal: Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42nd Goal: Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

43rd Goal: Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44th Goal: Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45th Goal: Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike

[ Lenin: Democracy is the road to Socialism. Marx: The Goal of Socialism is Communism. . .]

[cricket]

re the Marxist/Islamic connections:from Al Qaeda`s Neo-Nazi Connections Posted 2/25/2004 By William GrimAl Qaeda`s Neo-Nazi Connections Posted 2/25/2004 By William Grim(JewishPress.com):

The rise of Al Qaeda and the explosion ofneo-Nazi activity in Germany and elsewherecoincided with the breakup of the USSR in theearly 1990`s and the political vacuum createdby the absence of the former Soviet behemoth.Neo-Nazis in both Europe and the UnitedStates began making overtures to Islamicterrorists and even to Louis Farrakhan`sNation of Islam movement. The resultingadmixture of Nazi and Islamicist ideologies issomething that is termed the ``Third Position.``

[Sivad]

Yep, good points.

I would also venture to guess that this big "problem" all
the crats have with the Iraq War is a sham. They have a
minor problem with how the war was started but their big
issue is that it wasn't one of their own at the helm of
the ship of state. Of course, they would never admit it.

[#3Fan]

Horowitz was on C-SPAN this morning. He was really hammering the liberal callers. It was great and what he said was absolutely true. He said that the Michael Moore types aren't "dreamers" like everyone used to think of leftists, but "haters", haters of America. True.