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A Godless Europe and A Tidal Wave of Christianity
CBN News ^ | July 29th, 2004 | Dale Hurd

Posted on 08/02/2004 6:36:06 AM PDT by missyme

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To: ZULU
I have several points to make on this (some of them just personal anecdotes):

1. It is interesting to note that the largest Presbyterian church in the world is located in South Korea and that Koreans are actively sending missionaries to Europe to help re-christianize "old" Christendom.

2. The Communist Chinese are deeply concerned about the growth and influence of the church there. They are harshly repressing the house-church movement, but the flame just won't go out. These folks need your constant prayers.

3. My famiy took a group European bus tour of several countries in summer, 2001. One stop was Amsterdam. You may know that the Netherlands has generally fallen far away from the Word and resembles Sodom in many ways. I wasn't real keen on going there, but we couldn't break it out of the tour.

Anyway, while putt-putting through Amsterdam's canals on a tour boat, the guide pointed out a beautiful, medieval church near the water. She reeled off some basic facts about the structure and then said, "It's now used to house an indoor practice wall for rock climbers. I guess we have to use it for something", she shrugged. There were some good Pentacostals on the tour with us and we shared a prayer with them about this later that day.

4. Note that within the Anglican church that the effort to resist the ordination of priests and bishops who are practicing homosexuals is led by that church's African bishops. They even recently told their American cousins in the church that they couldn't accept their money as long as this apostacy continues.

5. Finally, I recently heard a fascinating speaker at my church's "Missions Week" discuss mission efforts in Germany. This guy runs hockey clinics for youth and helps to serve as a chaplain for a German pro hockey league. They're nuts for hockey in Germany and he's found that folks will listen to a faith message from athletes if given the chance.

I was stunned during his talk when he told us that despite every German town having a church at its geographic center (it's the home of Luther, after all), around 80% of the population has never set foot in a church other than to attend a concert (good acoustics). He added that about 75% of the people who do attend church are women over tha age of 65. For many there, Christianity is simply an irrelevant anachronism- a dim curiousity from the distant past. It is quite sad, but I know God is up to the job.

21 posted on 08/02/2004 7:50:33 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: Havoc

I often wondered if the Anti-Christ would be an individual person or a system of Government? as told in Biblical Prophecy it appears that the Anti-Christ is alive and well.

So as the Anti-Christ system grows maybe a leader will emerge out of it? at any rate, I think it is something we need to be on guard against, how much as the Anti-Christ influenced people to this point? As we see Homosexuality spread like wildfire it appers to have fooled many already...


22 posted on 08/02/2004 7:51:35 AM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Great post!


23 posted on 08/02/2004 8:05:35 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Conspiracy Guy

> Christianity is the only hope for the world

Amen.


24 posted on 08/02/2004 8:13:05 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: dukeman

They have made themselves ripe for Islam.


25 posted on 08/02/2004 8:20:36 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU

Yes, they have. France has a big, big problem with militant Islam. Anti-semitism is on the rise there. Great political strain.


26 posted on 08/02/2004 8:34:40 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: missyme

Yes indeed, Christianity did originate there.

And time, as we know it, will end there.

And what we can do as Bible believers is...
evangelize like we are told to do... Matt. 28:19,
serve others... Gal. 5:13
and live as if this is our last day...Heb. 9:27 & James 4:14 !

And pray.........."Even so, come Lord Jesus"... Rev. 22:20!


27 posted on 08/02/2004 8:35:10 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: missyme

Ann Coulter, in a some what tongue in cheek article after 9/11 shocked liberals everywhere when she called for, probably, the only workable program to stop Islam. "Convert them to Christianity".


28 posted on 08/02/2004 8:44:01 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Havoc
Why are Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons a "cult group" and Petacostals are not, in your opinion? What about the other 999 denominations that claim to be Christian? Which do you consider cults?

These are not rhetorical questions.

29 posted on 08/02/2004 8:49:17 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: missyme

Much has been written on AntiChrist. As much has been written to blunt the truth as to get the truth out because Revelation, Daniel, etc were rather specific in their descriptives. It's a complex issue; but, not one which can't be understood directly as they gave us most of the information needed to understand it. It's just that there are so many things stated that you need to build the pieces.
I'm currently reading "A Woman Rides the Beast". I will say it is well worth the read. It is thorough, well researched and on the mark..


30 posted on 08/02/2004 8:52:35 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: missyme

Hey, I've heard of the 10-40 missionary ( http://www.ad2000.org/1040broc.htm ) and have heard the new evangelism will be of brown faces. I suppose we Westerners have taken God's generous grace for granted for far too long. As Jesus said - even the stones will praise Him if the whole world were held silent....


31 posted on 08/02/2004 8:57:44 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: missyme

It's by far better that we are a nation of Christians than considered a "Christian nation".


32 posted on 08/02/2004 9:02:31 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Clive; cyborg
This is informative:

Today more Presbyterians worship in the African nation of Ghana than in Scotland. And more Anglicans worship in Nigeria than in Britain. We like to think of ourselves as the Christian West.

But there is growing evidence that the center of Christendom has moved.

Africans are running to accept Jesus Christ. It is a scene playing out all across the developing world. It may sound like an exaggeration, but it's not: Christianity is sweeping across the southern hemisphere and Asia like a tidal wave.

33 posted on 08/02/2004 9:02:34 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

very interesting and very much true


34 posted on 08/02/2004 9:08:12 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: missyme; TonyRo76; Conspiracy Guy; RightWingMama; AD from SpringBay; PresbyRev; wtc911; ZULU; ...
I worship with Liberians in Philly. As I have stated elsewhere on FR, my pastor preaches expository semons, with explications of the Greek, prays and receives miraculous physical healings, and prays for our troops.

These people ate the grass off the trees when they were in Liberia. They are phenomenal in their faith.

35 posted on 08/02/2004 9:17:40 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Jack Black

I think you would have to look at the literal textbook definition of what makes a cult to understand why the two are considered Cults. Walter Martin sums up pretty well in Kingdom of the Cults which has been a mainstay resource on cultism for years. Martin in his lifetime was the foremost expert on comparative religion studies. Very well studied to the point that practically every group he studied and reported on accused him of being an apostate from their group because he "knew too much not to be."


36 posted on 08/02/2004 9:18:22 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; missyme
Let's pray it continues to grow!

I, a Jew, pray for that too.

I have a question to you: why is it that you hear about the missionary work in Africa, Asia, and Russia --- but never in Western Europe?

With only 4% of Brits attending churches, is time not ripe for missionary work there? or in Germany?

37 posted on 08/02/2004 9:21:27 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: happygrl
This book goes into great detail on just that subject. I cannot recommend it highly enough. The Chinese Church--which is experiencing explosive growth and maturity-- sees it as its destiny to evangelize the muslim world.

They look at it this way: Christianity began in the Middle East, expanded westward to Europe, then North America, and then to the Far East. Chinese missionaries sent to the Middle East complete the circle begun 2000 years ago.

This is one of the most fascinating and important books I have read.


38 posted on 08/02/2004 9:25:38 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: TopQuark

The International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention has missionaries in Western Europe. You can read about it here: http://www.telleurope.org/


40 posted on 08/02/2004 9:40:31 AM PDT by theophilusscribe ("America is too great for small dreams." —Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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