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REPUBLICANS PLAN PUSH FOR ELIMINATION OF IRS
The Drudge Report ^ | 8/1/04 | Drudge

Posted on 08/01/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by NeoCaveman

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To: spokeshave
Yeah, see, the problem with your flat tax is we had one - congress transmogrified it into the current mess.

And if you are paying 13% in FIT, well...you must be rich.

Or something.

401 posted on 08/02/2004 5:18:26 AM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: GoLightly; All

I hadn't considered that (probably because we don't have much savings....)

Anyone else care to touch this issue?


402 posted on 08/02/2004 5:19:15 AM PDT by TheBattman
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To: Soul Seeker
It is a BOLD plan, one that would bring infinite good to the people. It needs to be spoken of in an equally bold and visionary way. It needs to be presented in the same tone of liberation G.W. speaks in when refering to the Middle East.

VERY well put!

403 posted on 08/02/2004 5:31:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry's America: "Weaker, Deader, Dumber")
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To: lewislynn
I only point out the indisputable facts..hence your name calling.

I've seen you post on this subject for several years.

Not once have I seen you post facts.

Just criticisms and false assertions.

You've got nothing positive to add.

404 posted on 08/02/2004 5:40:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry's America: "Weaker, Deader, Dumber")
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To: dubyaismypresident

Here's hoping folks! I wanna see the IRS disappear as much as anyone. I would love to see President Bush say as much during his re-election campaign, even during the convention.


405 posted on 08/02/2004 5:52:26 AM PDT by pctech
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To: Taxman; B4Ranch; CHIEF negotiator; nopardons; carenot
Please don't misunderstand me.
I was, and am, a solid supporter of abolishing the IRS and replacing it with the NRST.
I've been fighting for that with my checkbook since the days that the CHIEF and I discussed this.

I'm trying to find reassurance that I won't be faced with the same bureaucratic nonsense I'm facing now with the State of Texas.
I gave up a long time ago of trying to keep track of all the payments.
I let my CPA make my payments which means he can draw from my corporate account, which I don't like.
In other words, how is this going to impact the small business man?
Please excuse me if this has already been posted. I'm at work, and I don't have time to research the information.

Taxman, I had a retired insurance investigator examine the files I put together on the CHIEF's death.
It was her professional opinion that this case has been "cold cased".
That's the reason I can get no information when I call. They no longer have it active.
Short of hiring a private investigator (and we've already been down this road !) I don't know what else to do.
I have a theory, but that and fifty cents will buy a cup of coffee.

RIP, CHIEF. We miss you.

406 posted on 08/02/2004 5:56:20 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
It will NEVER happen. The tax lawyer lobby is too strong.

Never say never, but I doubt it is likely. I had one immediate thought when I read your post: W wants to pick a fight with lawyers. Tax lawyers are good - since the common folk don't have one. Trail lawyers like John Edwards are hated by many Americans - seen as ambulance chasers. There are values, principles, and taxes involved - all in one issue. It might not happen, but it could do in Edwards and anyone else that has made their millions by suing "evil" corporations.

407 posted on 08/02/2004 5:59:39 AM PDT by PattonReincarnated
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To: Remember_Salamis
Why are you calling the family consumption allowance a "prebate"? It's not a "prebate", it's not a rebate. It's a demogrant. Every man, woman, and child in the country would be entitled to a monthly check from the government regardless if they pay a penny in taxes. There would be a lot of people profitting from this system (getting more than they pay) and the ironic thing is, because the demogrant is tied to the tax rate, these people would actually profit more from a tax increase. You are giving a portion of the population to actually be in favor of tax increases.

It's the largest entitlement program in the history of this country. And I'm shocked that any true conservative would support it.
408 posted on 08/02/2004 6:03:53 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: dubyaismypresident

Fair Tax bump.


409 posted on 08/02/2004 6:08:18 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: Remember_Salamis
H.R. 25, the FairTax act (A national retail sales tax) restricts government spending by making the government pay the sales tax too.
Why do you keep saying this when you been shown it's not true. For every dollar the government pays in taxes they get that same dollar back in revenues. You are just changing the expediture/revenue scale. Where's the disincentive to keep spending?
410 posted on 08/02/2004 6:09:09 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: dc-zoo
That should get about 99% of the undecided and 50% of the democrats! What a great idea.
Yeah, they will be real excited until they here they will be paying a 30% national sales tax on all their purchases (in addition to state sales taxes). The Republicans better not provide too many details before the election, otherwise they will lose. Bigtime.
411 posted on 08/02/2004 6:11:42 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Remember_Salamis
restricts government spending by making the government pay the sales tax too.

LOL! So much lack of reasoning in one sentence...buy a clue.

412 posted on 08/02/2004 6:20:35 AM PDT by lewislynn (Why do the same people who think "free trade" is the answer also want less foreign oil dependence?)
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To: TexasCowboy
RIP, CHIEF. We miss you.

Amen.

413 posted on 08/02/2004 6:26:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry's America: "Weaker, Deader, Dumber")
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To: Your Nightmare
Where's the disincentive to keep spending?

The level of the sales tax rate is not a commentary on this form of taxation. It is a direct commentary on the level of spending by government.

Under the status quo, which you support, the vast bulk of our tax load is HIDDEN. Under the FairTax, 100% of taxation would be VISIBLE.

The divide and conquer tactics of politicians and the social engineers will come to an end under the NRST.

All Americans will be united in one interest: lowering the rate. What is the only way to lower the rate? Reduce spending.

It's simple. It's fair. It's visible.

It's the only way to go.

Don't even bother to respond to me unless it is on substance, or if you have a better positive alternative.

The critics of the FairTax have one distinctive characteristic: No positive solution of their own.

414 posted on 08/02/2004 6:33:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry's America: "Weaker, Deader, Dumber")
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To: ampat

I don't believe the Constitution allows national referendums. However, the Constitution DOES allow for citizens to form a Constitutional Convention, if 2/3 of the state legislatures pass a bill calling for one. Once the Convention convenes, an amendment can be proposed to eliminate the income tax.

But this would take a significant grassroots effort the likes of which has never been seen before, and would be pre-empted by Congress. A Constitutional Convention is extremely dangerous, because theoretically, you can scrap the entire Constitution and create a new one. Congress definitely does not want that.


415 posted on 08/02/2004 6:35:41 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Where’s my fu©king balloons?!)
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To: Dubya
Doing away with all that stupid bookkeeping :^)

If you have a business, you still have to do the bookkeeping to keep track of profit/loss. If you have a checking account, again, you need to keep track of your balance, otherwise you will be writing bad checks. Sorry pal, bookkeeping is here to stay. :)

416 posted on 08/02/2004 6:39:01 AM PDT by John123 (Who is cuter, Kerry in a blue bunny suit or the Breck Girl?)
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To: Malsua
VATS are evil and confiscatory. Hastert needs to drop the VAT bs. Flat tax is ok, VAT is not. I'll take what we got, mess that it is, over a vat.

Since you feel very strongly about this, explain exactly why VAT is bad for us...

417 posted on 08/02/2004 6:42:29 AM PDT by John123 (Who is cuter, Kerry in a blue bunny suit or the Breck Girl?)
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To: John123; Malsua

Sorry to interject, but I can't help myself.

The answer to your question is simple:

VATs are HIDDEN.

Hidden taxes are prone to political manipulations and hiding the true cost of goernment from the citizenry.

If Hastert wants to promote a VAT, I will oppose him. If he wants the FairTax, he will have my undying and active support.


418 posted on 08/02/2004 7:03:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry's America: "Weaker, Deader, Dumber")
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To: Your Nightmare

"It's the largest entitlement program in the history of this country."

That's a pretty bombastic statement. I assume that you have data to back up that assertion, right?

In point of fact, it is probably less than the current Earned Income Tax Credit, as far as the subsidy goes.

Are you REALLY that concerned about people who profit from it without spending a penny in taxes? That would include people who buy no groceries, pay no utility bills, no gas for their cars, etc. Is that your real concern or are you just terrified that this proposal is gathering momentum? If so, surely you can think of a more legitimate concern.


419 posted on 08/02/2004 7:08:16 AM PDT by phil_will1
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To: TexasCowboy

I was just rcalling back to the days when the CHIEF negotiator was on FR and the long spread out debates we had about every subject in the world.

He sure knocked my blinders in the ditch, that son of a b**** made me see how a lot of world actually functions with the corruption and deals were already worked out in the backrooms before the public debates came out to the sheeple.

I sure do miss him!


420 posted on 08/02/2004 7:13:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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