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Are We Alone? (reason to ponder what makes the earth unique)
Discovery Institute / The American Spectator ^ | May 1, 2004 | Jay W. Richards & Guillermo Gonzalez

Posted on 07/30/2004 11:57:38 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 07/30/2004 11:57:42 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Steaming pile.


2 posted on 07/30/2004 12:19:36 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Heartlander
Earth is unique because I live here.
All other reasons are trivial.

This is the Yuppie 'ME, ME, ME' interpretation of the Anthropic Principle

So9

3 posted on 07/30/2004 12:20:28 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9
Earth is unique because I live here.

Actually, I thought it was unique because John F Kerry lives here, all other reasons trivial. Did you know the junior senator from massataxes was a Vietnam war hero?

Seriously, this is a good summary of the book, which is a good read.

4 posted on 07/30/2004 12:35:40 PM PDT by Fudd
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5 posted on 07/30/2004 12:37:12 PM PDT by petercooper (In the end, Democrats are just a bunch of jackasses.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I wonder where all that methane in the Martian atmosphere is coming from. The Martian atmosphere can't sustain it, so it has to be coming from somewhere. Some kind of life maybe?


6 posted on 07/30/2004 12:43:28 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Heartlander

The part about the need for "perfect solar eclipses" is your Creationist Bunk Alert.


7 posted on 07/30/2004 12:45:44 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Heartlander

The article begins by talking about Mars and trickily changes the subject to the moon and the galaxy.

But let's stick with Mars for a moment: no one ever supposed that the chances of two planets with life --- in the same solar system --- would be very high. Mars is outside the comfort zone.

As for the rest of the "arguments"... they'll all be blown away when we find our first green planet out there.

We already can see planets circling nearby stars. Which suggest planets are abundant.

One thing I'd like to bet on: the necessity of a big fat moon for life to form. That's pure wishful thinking on the part of the authors. (Although why they are wishing for a dead and sterile universe is beyond me.)


8 posted on 07/30/2004 12:54:59 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Heartlander

Good article. I now have the Discovery Institute webpage bookmarked. Thank you.


9 posted on 07/30/2004 1:02:00 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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(Although why they are wishing for a dead and sterile universe is beyond me.)

Because, as creationists, the existence of life anywhere else in the universe obviates Earth's (and, by extension, their) position as God's unique creation.

There are folks who live in deadly fear that we'll discover Earth-like life elsewhere -- and by Earthlike, I mean growing, living, replicating and dying -- because death was supposed to only come to life on Earth because the first guy mucked it all up for the rest of us.

10 posted on 07/30/2004 1:09:59 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: samtheman
We already can see planets circling nearby stars.

Exactly which planets can we see outside our own galaxy and what are their names?

12 posted on 07/30/2004 1:11:09 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Heartlander

I love it. The odds that we are here are less than zero yet to the materialists that means the universe is full of life. "Impossibility is abundance" ranks right up there with "war is peace."


13 posted on 07/30/2004 1:15:17 PM PDT by Dataman
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We already can see planets circling nearby stars. Which suggest planets are abundant.

The authors aren't suggesting planets aren't abundant. Rather, it is planets capable of supporting life as we know it. To my knowledge, all of the extra-solar planets found or inferred to date (hundreds) are large gas giants. Many with the highly elliptical orbits that preclude life.

One thing I'd like to bet on: the necessity of a big fat moon for life to form. That's pure wishful thinking on the part of the authors.

Not necessarily. The hypothesis is that the moon's gravity helps sustain the earth's magnetic field. If the earth's core solidified, the field would disappear and the earth would soon look like Mars - dry & dead. Regardless of whether you accept this or not, the authors contend that earth's perfect solar eclipses have greatly helped advance the sciences - not only astronomy, but chemistry, physics, archeology (by dating events), among others. Further, the earth-moon distance is changing. We live in a small time window (on a geological scale) when such eclipses actually do occur.

14 posted on 07/30/2004 1:15:43 PM PDT by Fudd (my $.02)
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To: Junior

What I forgot to add is that the moon's gravity helps prevent the earth's core from solidifying, thus maintaining the mangetic field and therefore life.


15 posted on 07/30/2004 1:18:01 PM PDT by Fudd (my $.02)
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To: Dataman
The odds that we are here are less than zero

More classic creationist "new math." Um, dataman, I'm fairly certain we do exist. I mean, we could get all existential about it, but for our purposes on FR, I'm going to say there is a pretty darn good chance we are here. (there I go again, with crazy rational thought.)
16 posted on 07/30/2004 1:19:48 PM PDT by whattajoke
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yeah we'll find those aliens alright....there must be billions and billions of them critters out there!
Still waiting to find even one...
My question is, if we assume life is a totally natural and expected process, how come there was only one origin of life at the beginning of this planet instead of it occuring independently several times throughout Earth's history?
17 posted on 07/30/2004 1:23:55 PM PDT by arielb
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how come there was only one origin of life at the beginning of this planet instead of it occuring independently several times throughout Earth's history?

Unbeknownst to you, this is actually a very good question. Unfortunately for you, if and when we learn more about "the origin of life," I can assure you that it happened many times over. Many, many times.
18 posted on 07/30/2004 1:27:54 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: petercooper

LOL !


19 posted on 07/30/2004 1:28:41 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: whattajoke
Unfortunately for you, I want you to prove it happened it happened even more than once -I want more than your assurances. :)
20 posted on 07/30/2004 1:44:28 PM PDT by arielb
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