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Judge Allows Sex Evidence in Bryant Case
Yahoo ^ | 07/23/2004 | Jon Sarche

Posted on 07/23/2004 6:03:01 PM PDT by Hawk44

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This case is like Linda Ronstadt ie. the fat lady is singing.
1 posted on 07/23/2004 6:03:03 PM PDT by Hawk44
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"Ruckriegle agreed that the woman's sex life in the 72 hours before the exam was relevant, but barred "any and all other evidence" related to her conduct."

I have to reluctantly concurr with that opinion. If the accusser is alleging physical harm, then why would she (as alledged) have sex between the time of the "rape" and the exam?

However, even if she did have sex after the Kobe "rape", and even if he did not physically harm her, it still is rape if it is not consensual. No means no. You don't bend some women over a chair, pull down her pants and do your thing if she says no or does not clearly say yes.

The whole issue stinks. The woman's behavior, Kobe's behavior, the muck of destroying a woman in court who alledges rape. How does one sort fact from fiction, or truth from lies?

I don't want to see an innocent (at least of rape) man sent to prison, but I don't want a guilty one to walk free because he "target" was a less than wholesome individual.

Like I said, this whole thing stinks.


2 posted on 07/23/2004 6:16:03 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Hawk44; Howlin

ding ding ding


3 posted on 07/23/2004 6:16:07 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Sola Veritas

well said


4 posted on 07/23/2004 6:17:34 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Hawk44

FINALLY some justice in this case.


5 posted on 07/23/2004 6:19:44 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Sola Veritas
The whole issue stinks. The woman's behavior, Kobe's behavior, the muck of destroying a woman in court who alledges rape. How does one sort fact from fiction, or truth from lies?

Perhaps there should be more stringent rules of proof for "rape" allegations which did not involve significant evidence of assault as well.

6 posted on 07/23/2004 6:21:27 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Sola Veritas

I think that when the woman found out who Kolbe was she decided to see if there wasn't some $$$$$$$ money for her. In the meantime I think she would do well as a hooker.


7 posted on 07/23/2004 6:23:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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anytime i hear about a celebrity committing a crime i say to myself they are 100 percent guilty (and i am usually right) however this time I have to say Kobe seems innocent. Rape is a horrible thing of course but being accused of rape is no walk in the park.

PS. this is a special message to all women who may be reading this, famous sport figures DO NOT want to date you AND they do not care about you. if you see a famous sports figure, CROSS THE STREET!

PPS I dont feel that bad for Kobe anyway, he shouldnt have cheated on his wife. Plus I hate the lakers, GO CELTS!!
8 posted on 07/23/2004 6:27:04 PM PDT by goldwaterlives
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To: Sola Veritas

Rape Shield has its limits and this is it.


10 posted on 07/23/2004 6:27:24 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: goldwaterlives

Heck, that goes for all men. You don't go to a man's hotel room/apartment/ et al because he loves your mind.

Women are stupid that way.


11 posted on 07/23/2004 6:29:44 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Sola Veritas

In principle I agree with you, but I would rather a guitly person go free with this set of facts than risk the state taking away the freedom of an innocent person with this set of facts. No means no, but this was basically a short date. Two people entering into a voluntary sexual relationship.

That is the admitted expectation of the woman and the implication of Mr. Bryant's behavior. The woman claims that at some point she wanted to stop the relationship maybe short of intercourse. That can be a rape, but it is not quite the rape of a stranger or someone not seeking sexual interaction with you.


12 posted on 07/23/2004 6:35:16 PM PDT by JLS
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I'm not sure about that. My wife and I had no difficulty raising our two daughters ito become respectable ladies. I have a hunch the mother, and perhaps the father, is somewhere close to the daughter in their sexual habits.


13 posted on 07/23/2004 6:46:11 PM PDT by B4Ranch (http://www.firearmsid.com/)
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To: Sola Veritas
Deuteronomy 22:24:
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour' wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.


I realize this doesn't quite apply but the part that she didn't immediately report it(as rape) is enough to establish reasonable doubt to the allegation.
14 posted on 07/23/2004 6:46:38 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Hawk44

From what I have read of the so-called victim , if she didnt consent to have sex with Bryant, Bryant must have been the only male in town she didnt consent to.


15 posted on 07/23/2004 6:52:47 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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"The man who commits adultery...shall surely be put to death."

Leviticus 20:10

He admitted to adultery, should he likewise not be trusted as telling the truth?


16 posted on 07/23/2004 7:09:26 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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"That can be a rape, but it is not quite the rape of a stranger or someone not seeking sexual interaction with you."

I don't like being the position of defending this woman. What she did was stupid and was bound to get her in trouble. However, "rape" is not excuseable just because the person you perpretate it upon is naive.

No is no good answer here I'm afraid.


17 posted on 07/23/2004 7:12:48 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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"Rape Shield has its limits and this is it."

I said I agreed with the judge's ruling, and I agree with you. However, it doesn't mean I have to like it!


18 posted on 07/23/2004 7:14:19 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: goldwaterlives

"anytime i hear about a celebrity committing a crime i say to myself they are 100 percent guilty (and i am usually right) however this time I have to say Kobe seems innocent. Rape is a horrible thing of course but being accused of rape is no walk in the park."

I don't know if he is guilty or not. However, I am sick and tired of these brutes (jocks, presidents, et.al.) abusing their celebrity to prey on the stupid, naive, or ambitious.


19 posted on 07/23/2004 7:17:50 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: B4Ranch

"I think that when the woman found out who Kolbe was she decided to see if there wasn't some $$$$$$$ money for her"

You may be right, I don't know. Let us hope that the court can get to the truth.


20 posted on 07/23/2004 7:19:31 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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