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Moon Viewed as Policy Battleground
space.com ^ | 17 Jul 04 | Leonard David

Posted on 07/17/2004 4:15:05 PM PDT by RightWhale

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Usual cast of characters. They all ignore the issue of private property rights.
1 posted on 07/17/2004 4:15:06 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale

> They all ignore the issue of private property rights.

That's no problem in the case of the moon.
When the Chinese land there, they'll claim
the whole thing anyway.

Taiwan is just practice.


2 posted on 07/17/2004 4:18:18 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: KevinDavis

Ping.


3 posted on 07/17/2004 4:28:10 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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Spudis said that there are people within NASA who are failing to see what the President has asked to be put in motion. "This is as clear a policy direction as we’ve ever had. And yet people at NASA persist in misunderstanding it."


Gee, doesn't that sound familiar?


4 posted on 07/17/2004 4:29:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (yes. As a matter of fact, my legs are broke.)
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; *Space; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; ...

Space Ping! This is the Space Ping List! Let me know if you want on or off this list by freep mail!


5 posted on 07/17/2004 4:30:04 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Boundless
Time to REUNIFY the moon!

Historically the moon has shown it's munificent light on the middle kingdom since time immemorial, therefore it is
in China's internal affairs and interlopers and lunar "splittists" will be dealt with harshly.

China's Lunar Ambassador and acting Commander of the Peoples Lunar Republic, warned the earth bound USA hegemon to,
"Stay away you silly canniggets"
7 posted on 07/17/2004 4:51:13 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RightWhale
There are those at NASA with an agenda "to kill this or morph it into something that it was never intended to be,"

Time to de-RAT NASA.

8 posted on 07/17/2004 4:51:48 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The persistent misunderstanding is what tipped me off.


9 posted on 07/17/2004 4:59:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (yes. As a matter of fact, my legs are broke.)
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To: RightWhale
Usual cast of characters. They all ignore the issue of private property rights.

I think the treaties we (U.S.) have signed makes the moon "international" territory, much like the arctic and antarctic..
I'm assuming that is what you are referring to..

However, there are no treaties, international or otherwise, obligating the U.S. to provide transportation to the moon,.
Likewise, to provide support for any other nation's colony or outpost that they may build there...

10 posted on 07/17/2004 6:39:45 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
Not the Arctic--all land claimed, all sovereign and owned.

The point here is that space will not be developed without property rights. That is in the President's Commission report and that is being ignored, and not only by NASA--they cannot do anything about it, it is a legal problem--but by the President, the White House, Congress, the USSC, and by all private entrepreneurs including the ones represented in this article. None of the get it.

11 posted on 07/17/2004 7:17:27 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
Tumlinson said that work is underway to "de-Bushify" NASA’s visionary call to arms, in order for it to be shared by both political parties.

Maybe Bush ought to "de-fundify" Tumlinson's leftwing-kissass attitude.

12 posted on 07/17/2004 7:20:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Twenty-nine Helens agree: Promptness is very important.)
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To: RightWhale

When the first private ship lands on the moon, the owner should declare HIS personal property. That oughtta get their panties in a bunch.


13 posted on 07/17/2004 7:22:18 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: RightWhale

Bush should do battle where the voters are. Lunar block grants aren't going to increase the number of Bush voters on the moon, even if it is made the 51st state between now and November.


14 posted on 07/17/2004 7:25:24 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: GeronL

Sure, but he will lack the resources to make anything of it. There will be no significant investment. He will have to give up even if he gets that far.


15 posted on 07/17/2004 7:26:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
I don't see a real property rights issue here..

The Chinese can build an installation on the moon.. just as much right as us..
I would assume there may need to be some negotiation of "territorial" limits or some such diplomatic garbage, but that is all well and good.

I would think that it would be understood the Chinese or Russians, etc.. would not be expecting to "tour" our facilities any time they felt like it, unless such arrangements were totally reciprocal..
I believe there are some agreements concerning arms in space, that may or may not still be in effect that would guarantee access for verification of those treaties..

But if you're talking about our building a facility and the Chinese or Russians, etc., having some sort of "right" to move in and take up residence, I don't think that would apply..
Just as any spacecraft would be considered "sovereign" vessels of the U.S., so would our installations or facilities..

16 posted on 07/17/2004 7:30:55 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: dr_who_2
That's right, there won't be many voters at all on the moon for a long time to come. However, the idea of lunar block grants is good. The grant recipients will be on earth where they will be near both the polling places and near the mailbox so they can send donations to their favorite political parties and also vote for their favorite candidates.

Bush would not consider whether the action would gain him votes or not--he does what is right in his own estimation and hopes the citizens see it the same way.

17 posted on 07/17/2004 7:31:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Drammach

As the treaty stands anything you launch is yours. You could launch modules and build a lunar base no problem. However, if you use lunar resources there would be a problem.


18 posted on 07/17/2004 7:33:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

well, I assume the first private vessel would just land and take-off after a quick visit. But I could imagine the reaction of him/her putting up a sign "Property of ---- ------"


19 posted on 07/17/2004 7:34:30 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: RightWhale

I agree that in the end, Bush will do what he wants and the rest of us be darned.


20 posted on 07/17/2004 7:38:16 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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