Posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:28 AM PDT by StevenAU
i feel so cheated, people keep telling me islam is the religion of peace. i hate when im lied to.
: "TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere."
The meaning of the verse is clear. How exactly would "context" change it? I have just re-read the verse and the verses before and after it. I see no ambiguity.
: "TO make this statement you're taking one verse out of context. It demonstrates someone with no real knowledge of the bible as a whole, rather someone who has read bits and pieces or listened to someone else on a website somewhere."
The meaning of the verse is clear. How exactly would "context" change it? I have just re-read the verse and the verses before and after it. I see no ambiguity.
How does one tell, for sure, just who has "real" knowledge of the Bible, anyway. Just you, maybe?
A little misleading. Firstly, I wouldn't exactly call Jesus a pacifist. Anyone who could, singlehandedly, drive out the moneychangers from the temple was no pacifist. Secondly, his advice and teachings were geared toward the individual, not groups. Thirdly, I wouldn't exactly call adultery a minor sin.
the whole flipping the tables deal was an example of where
we get the term "righteous indignation". If someone is in
your church(or in this case, temple) and defiles it...there
you go. I don't see Marines/Soldiers shooting at non-combatants while hiding in a church. That said, any religion
can be "hijacked" to do evil, some are just way more
susceptible to it than others.In this case Islam.If you can't read and have everything spoon fed to you in a madrass
from age 0...you get Ronald McWahabbi.
Again, you are welcome to educate me.
Finally, someone who understands. Some are called to peace, some are called to war. He equips us for the mission we are to fulfill. It is written that He did not come to bring peace.
Mohammed didn't have any sons--he only had daughters. Maybe Allah was trying to tell him something.
There is a possible interpretation that would suggest Jesus only told them to get a sword so that there would be a sword present in Gethsemane for Peter to use to cut off the servant's ear. Since Jesus has been telling his disciples that prophecy must be fulfilled, one could say that the sole purpose of the sword is to fulfill a prophecy. I think that's a bit weak, though.
Old Mo never said he was God or the Son of the same--He was just the messenger of God. If he was, he got the message twisted all around. In fact he even said Jesus (Yesu) was greater than he was (This he did get right).
MIGHT I ENHANCE THIS STATEMENT?...
Muhammed is a violent pedophile who died--and stayed dead.
Mother Theresa was very much like Jesus. On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden is very much like Muhammad! 'Nuff said.
I think so!
What do you mean, "To be fair"? Justinian wasn't the founder of a religion.
2Kings 19:34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. 35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
It does seem that God (and all Christians agree that Jesus is God) does use war to destroy his enemies. So I do not think you can say Jesus is a pacifist.
Jesus never planned, rehearsed, and executed the slaughter of hundreds of his ideological enemies.
Muh did.
Do you have that in a bumper sticker?
I want one.....make it five.
mc
Something no one is pointing out is the similarities between Muhammad and David Koresh and L. Ron Hubbard-rather than him and Moses and Jesue. The major difference is that Muhammad was successful in sustaining his flock. Both Muhammad and Koresh used their "deity" to have all the women they could want, including the underaged. All 3 were able to use their "religion" for immense personal wealth and power within their community.
Many would shudder to make this comparison publicly I have thought, like Muhammed personally, forget the crusades where Christian followers, but Muhammed himself used the sword to convert people-and L.Ron using deceitful economic pracities and dishonest marketing to convert-all to follow themselves to their direct benefit.
Jesus was humiliated, left this earth with a tunic and sandles, a handful of followers, and nothing else. The other 3 left with alot more money, women, prestige, and power. History has dismissed L.Ron Hubbard and David Koresh as the selfish, powerhungry frauds they were, I hope for the Arabs that one day they are smart enough to do the same to Muhammed.
"If you...have everything spoon fed to you in a madrass
from age 0...you get Ronald McWahabbi."
Well put. Jim Jones was able to do it with so-called Christians, too.
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