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Something big [and bad] is coming, says CIA director
http://www.iol.co.za ^ | July 15, 04 | http://www.iol.co.za

Posted on 07/15/2004 10:28:27 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: zarf

Under kerry, the US would take no action by starting a war with Iran or Syria, period.


121 posted on 07/16/2004 3:27:33 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: StarCMC

I DO wish the author would use the proper "Democrat National Convention" instead of "Democratic." I know - I'm picking fly poop outta pepper, but for some reason that always bugs me....

Gee thanks, now it bugs me too.


122 posted on 07/16/2004 3:28:49 AM PDT by garylmoore (Looking forward to the day when I can chat with Him.)
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To: nopardons; StarCMC

Me three.


123 posted on 07/16/2004 3:34:29 AM PDT by kk22tt
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To: LouD
Patterns of (probably encrypted or coded) communications....

Not to worry about encrypted communications. These days, we can decrypt most anything terrorist-related quickly enough.

The bad guys usually speak in code, I think. Stuff like, "Farouk needs more money to move his grandmother out of Fallujah. Is his donkey still in Mosul?" Experience may tell us that this telephone conversation is about terrorist activity in Miami, but it tells us nothing else.

124 posted on 07/16/2004 3:51:21 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: twntaipan

In one recent story, a Congressional committee member said that after a recent terrorism briefing several other members were reconsidering whether they'd go to the conventions.


125 posted on 07/16/2004 4:02:46 AM PDT by angkor
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To: martin_fierro

Boy are you lucky I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I sat that.


126 posted on 07/16/2004 4:23:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ideas so stupid only intellectuals could believe them.)
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To: StarCMC
I DO wish the author would use the proper "Democrat National Convention

I wish the author would use the more accurate "CommieRAT National Convention."

127 posted on 07/16/2004 4:30:13 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: churchillbuff
If it's as bad as is being predicted, I think that we should target everything that presents a future problem and rain the wrath of God down on those sites. Iran's nuclear capability should be destroyed, also North Korean capabilities should be wasted. We should also move into Syria and dig up all of the WMD that was exported from Iraq during the U.N. foot dragging prior to the war. We should probably do all these things anyway as a prophylactic enterprise. Our America will never be the same following a major hit. Neither should the worlds of the terrorist sympathizer nations.
128 posted on 07/16/2004 4:34:54 AM PDT by mict42
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To: ClancyJ

"Many of us lived through the cold war nuclear threat and have plenty of practice in living under a threat. I suggest the younger ones just suck it up and get with the program. "

Well said!


129 posted on 07/16/2004 4:39:22 AM PDT by Rebelbase (To democrats the truth is personal.)
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To: churchillbuff

The continuous whine of yours that killing terrorists "isn't making us safer" is a sad reflection on the fact that you don't understand that we are at war.

Which part of "war on terror" don't you understand? This is a war that will go after the terrorists wherever they are gathered in large numbers and supported by goverments hostile to our government.

PS - your namesake clearly understood appeasement does not work and you may wish to read some of his biographies.


130 posted on 07/16/2004 4:39:31 AM PDT by Peach
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To: RussianConservative
My simple answer to such things is this: if I was Putin, first thing I would make pure and clear to the Islamics and to their friends in the West: any nuclear device that explode anywhere in Russia will cause immediate, unquestioning and unilateral response of 25 20 megaton nukes on Mecca AND Medina...further nuclear explosion on Russia will cause 2 Islamic cities to equally die...names to be choosen at random...control your idiots or die.

What you say sounds harsh. But only because the western democracies have become so complacent through extended peace, that they have developed a false sense of security and superiority when it comes to the philosophy of war. (Or "conflict", as these metrosexual intellectuals would disdainfully sniff). Call it the Chamberlain syndrome.

If you asked Americans or Russians during WWII to hold Japanese and German civilians harmless for the aggression of their fanaticists - you would have been roundly castigated, and eventually locked up.

It is absolute lunacy to let the enemy, who swims in the waters of sympathetic "civilians", to hit our soft targets, meaning to murder our civilians, at places of their choosing, and then expect our military to ferret out only those exact individuals with yellowcake on their hands. And then, to bring them back to skate through the travesty of our looney-tune "justice" system. Instead, the hordes of terrorists disappear into the folds of the societies that actively cheer them on.

This stupidity of ours is a luxury that will disappear in a nuclear flash over one of our cities. And frankly, no argument will be necessary after that. We will nuke so many deserving and undeserving targets in the aftermath, that muslims will be dragging out anybody remotely sympathetic to the Islamofascists, and dismembering them before Al Jazeera cameras, all while pointing to themselves, shaking their heads, and yelling "We hate Al Queda!!"

And will all that have been necessary? Nope. The leftist-inspired sentimental idiocy permeating our society will be the cause of these mutual disasters.

131 posted on 07/16/2004 4:43:40 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: churchillbuff
The Democratic Party's national convention

I dont think they have anything to worry about. Too bad......

132 posted on 07/16/2004 4:43:57 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 30+ years dealing with idiots, I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.....)
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To: churchillbuff

Wait a minute. This can go both ways, we are hearing there is credible information of an attack and going but what? when? where? On the other hand the terrorist are hearing we have credible information of an attack and they are going...what do they know? Do they know when? Do they know where? Its a mind game both ways. Imagine yourself them and if you would be thinking to proceed or are you busted.


133 posted on 07/16/2004 4:45:42 AM PDT by BriarBey
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To: churchillbuff

And, I meant to remind you - even the Senate Intelligence Committee report last week mentioned that Iraq was training Al Qaeda terrorists on weapons training and how to attack America. And yet you don't think we should go after the very people who are actively supporting and working with Al Qaeda terrorists. Hmm. Strange set of priorities you have there.

Oh, I know you'll whine that we've "forgotten" OBL. But you see, we haven't. There are over 20,000 soldiers in Afghanistan whose sole job is to find him. And why do you think our military can't do two things at once?

In his brand new book, "The Secret History of the Iraq War," the man I consider to be among America's foremost intelligence experts – Yossef Bodansky, former director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare – writes that, in the fall of 2002, Saddam Hussein supplied operational weapons of mass destruction to Osama bin Laden's terrorists.

He also concludes that Iraq's intelligence services provided extensive military assistance to al-Qaida beginning n the early 1990s.

He also, once again, shows that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, as well as most of its program to develop more, had left the country prior to our invasion.


134 posted on 07/16/2004 4:53:30 AM PDT by Peach
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To: ladyinred
And why not? The terrorists have been listening to these reckless leftists in this country too. They know the rats have managed to convince some of the people that President Bush is the enemy and have undermined our security at every turn. The blood will be on the democrats hands, but they will blame Bush as usual.

The blood would be on the terrorists' hands. It's irresponsible to play politics with something this serious; terrorists hate all Americans regardless of political persuasion.

135 posted on 07/16/2004 4:59:59 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Marak

Major power grid breakdown during the election - electronic voting screens would go down, votes can't be counted.


136 posted on 07/16/2004 5:06:02 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: martin_fierro
Are you saying that the CIA McLaughlin and the "McLaughlin Group" McLaughlin are the same people?

Carolyn

137 posted on 07/16/2004 5:07:01 AM PDT by CDHart (I'm not crazy. I've just been in a bad mood for 40 years. [Steel Magnolias])
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To: expatguy
America fails horribly at low-tech espionage and has to rely on foreigners and foreign governments to supply us with much needed intelligence information...

If we end up with anyone on the payroll overseas, they are almost always foreigners and in many cases end up working as "double agents" who have an intimate knowledge of our country. If not that, we have some fresh college graduate with a 3.8 GPA from some somebigivyleagueuniversity hit the ground in Bangkok, Hong Kong or Prague with his testosterone in overdrive and armed with his Lonely Planet guidebook...

Its all politically correct and stuff but its simply not secure and one day we are going to have to face up to that painful reality...

Man, you have nailed it. My father was of the last generation of agents on the ground, speaking the language fluently, and gathering information that cannot possibly be photographed from low earth orbit. He, along with others of his ilk, retired during the Frank Church witch hunts that decimated our intelligence apparatus.

Today, our ground capabilities are a joke. Our "agents" are PC affirmative action POS's getting their tickets punched by being geographically positioned in various countries, as if kicking back and reading "USA Today" in Prague, Kiev, Bangkok and Cali somehow qualifies them as intelligence operatives.

And I have a relative that thinks that he should be qualified as an agent, and he would be - he speaks Russian fluently, and Turkmen to boot, which he picked up as a Peace Corps volunteer and State Dept NGO in Turkmenistan and Kiev after graduating from BU. He can look Russian, Tartar, or Turkmen.

He laments, though, that he'd probably face some snot-nosed little twit from some Ivy-League university for the interview, who learned Russian on a summer trip to Moscow, who knows nothing of living there, nothing of the ground politics, but thinks she gathered much through osmosis while sticking out like a sore thumb in her baby-blue North Face backpack, trekking through the train stations.

But it's even worse than that. The seeming majority of young Americans overseas seem to feel the need to hate the US, and spread that hatred to foreigners - who have always admired and wanted to live in the US.

When I visited this relative in Kiev, I saw the confusion on the faces of his Russian employees and friends, as he spouted off about American foreign policy, Bush, Republicans in general, the US military and our way of life. His Russian friends were hard-pressed to come up with the same disdainful sneer about America, that is truly only the thin veneer of spoiled brat-ism that characterizes the vast majority of pampered and elitist NGO-types, who stoke the envy-borne hatreds of our international friends and enemies alike.

I could see the signs of relief on their faces when I spoke up and said, "Hell no, I don't agree. America is a great country that has done profound things for the world, more than any other superpower in history, and I am damn proud to have an unapologetic President who has a solid grasp of our founding principles, and how to back'em up in practice." They would argue with me, but I could tell they were much more comfortable with what they secretly believed.

Sorry for the long rant...

138 posted on 07/16/2004 5:38:50 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: jeffers
jeffers,

Your POST 114 is right on. Very good and helpful advice. Everyone should read it. It covers the immediate and basic survival tasks should anything threaten our stability including natural disasters as well as vicious attacks on the United States of America, regardless of physical location.

I strongly urge reading this post; even if you've been preparing since 1999, if ya get my drift... we forget the obvious...

Thanks for taking your time to remind us.

"Be prepared" and hoping for the best...ba7
139 posted on 07/16/2004 5:47:58 AM PDT by booann777 (You can never have enough canned goods... or ammo... please be prepared...)
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To: rwfromkansas; Dianna; Bald Eagle777; LouD
Just saw this - Could be a clue:

Terror in the Skies Again (Absolutely Positive MUST-READ)

140 posted on 07/16/2004 5:48:01 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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