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The Pornography Plague
Leadership U ^ | Kerby Anderson

Posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:19 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: swampfox98
The fact is that when the Democrats beat the crap out of George Bush and he has the gall to reply, they accuse him of being an attack dog. And that is not my personal opinion I've seen it happen a dozen times.

I've seen them pull that "The conservatives want to throw old people out on the street and starve poor children to death!" when they don't get what they want more times than that. Way too many times to fall for getting baited with it by you.

641 posted on 07/14/2004 5:52:09 PM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Junior

Nancy, you're hilarious.


642 posted on 07/14/2004 5:55:28 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I agree with your judgement that porn is a symptom of an underlying pathology i.e. decadence-the need for ever greater stimulation in order to maintain the feeling of aliveness.


643 posted on 07/14/2004 6:02:02 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Where?


644 posted on 07/14/2004 6:14:27 PM PDT by Taquito (Be friendly, be professional, but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Pukin Dog
You mean like when I suggested that our cops, federal agents, etc. might have better things to worry about than the latest "crusade" that some theocrats are attempting to foist on them...in the midst of a war AGAINST theocrats?

Or that those who loudly advocate for such a lost "crusade" will be nowhere near its front lines?

It's a failing of mine...to notice Bravo Sierra writ large, and call it.

As you can imagine, I hold my tongue a LOT at work.

645 posted on 07/14/2004 6:14:33 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: swampfox98
These victims have faces and voices, they have memories and fears that keep them awake at night. The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused.

And you accuse other people of sounding like a Democrat?

646 posted on 07/14/2004 6:54:16 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Long Cut
uh, yeah. All that. lol.
647 posted on 07/14/2004 6:57:29 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
But I'm feelin' MMMUUUCCCHHH better now...

LOL! I gotta remember my sense of the absurd...

648 posted on 07/14/2004 7:07:11 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: swampfox98
I don't see why you are against women, children and animals having the right of not being hurt by perverts reading a porn how to article.

As strawmen go, this is a pretty weak one. Nobody on this thread is in favor of women, children or animals being forced to do anything.

I've tried this before, but I'll give it one more shot: The only pornography that is legal is pornography involving consenting adults. The only way it can be legally viewed is by other consenting adults.

649 posted on 07/14/2004 7:15:08 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; Phantom Lord
Then you might want to remove it. Some of your libertarian friends might think you're a homo.

Wow, OC must be tired or drunk tonight- usually he starts calling people 'homos' in his first or second post on a thread.

Mentally, he's still stuck in 5th grade argument level, it seems.

650 posted on 07/14/2004 7:24:52 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman

You libertines have been stuck in the same groove for years. Someone needs to kick your victrola.


651 posted on 07/14/2004 7:33:06 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Modernman; Phantom Lord; Tailgunner Joe; robertpaulsen
Rape scandal rocks Saudi Arabia

Must be due to that porn-drenched Saudi culture.

652 posted on 07/14/2004 7:35:54 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

You're giving your usual high level of wit and wisdom to this thread, I see.


653 posted on 07/14/2004 7:43:39 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: swampfox98; Phantom Lord; Modernman; Melas; malakhi; Poohbah; TheBigB; steve-b; NCPAC; Bella_Bru; ..
"How about hearing from some of the millions of victims of pornography all over the world? These victims have faces and voices, they have memories and fears that keep them awake at night. The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused. They have rights. The right not to be victims of porn."

Oh, spare us the "VICTIMS!!!" nonsense already!

I shouldn't have to post this, but it seems to come up on every thread on this topic, totally ignored by the puritains, so... NO ONE on these threads has ever:

- Suggested that kiddie porn or bestiality should be legal, or anything other than the abomination that they are;

- Suggested that minor children should either have access to, or participate in, pornography;

- Expressed any toleration for coercion of porn actors or participants in it;

- Suggested that those subject to such coercion or slavery have no recourse in law;

- Recommended that porn be jammed down the throat of ANYONE unwilling to watch it;

What we HAVE said is that pornography, produced, acted in, and viewed by consenting adults is not something the law should be concerned with, especially on a federal level, and most particularly when it is produced and viewed in PRIVATE.

Other than the above, any "victims" exist only in the type of Leftist psychobabble found on "Oprah", and coincidentally in your post:"The have low self esteem and some don't care to go on living after being abused."

Oh, my heart bleeds.

Conservatives pride ourselves on using logic, fact, and reason in our arguments to counter Liberal emotionalism. Such emotionalism is correctly a sign of a lack of such logic, fact, and reason. It would seem that some "conservatives" also resort to it when their supply of such things is found wanting, and many even use the same words.

If all you've got to offer is such claptrap, then I suggest you find a different place for it.

"They have rights. The right not to be victims of porn."

Of course, in addition to a fictitious "victim class", you had to also invent a new right! Put it next to "the right to be free of want and hunger", and the "right to a living wage".

And before you start tossing "small animals, etc..." around again, I'll pre-emptively call it the strawman that it is, now that I've destroyed all the rest.

654 posted on 07/14/2004 7:43:41 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I'm still looking for your reasoned legal position to want things your way .


655 posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:45 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: disclaimer

"Wrong: it's a symptom of the very fabric of our society falling apart. The author's entire thesis is backwards
I agree"


I agree to. But what came first the chicken or the porn egg? Because of so much free and easy access on the internet there is entire generations of youth who are now being desensitized to gratuitous(foul fetish garbage) sex and the "objectification" of females.


656 posted on 07/14/2004 7:47:21 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: AnnaZ

So, who were they? hehehhe


657 posted on 07/14/2004 7:48:25 PM PDT by Feiny (I can resist anything but temptation.)
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To: Long Cut
And before you start tossing "small animals, etc..." around again, I'll pre-emptively call it the strawman that it is, now that I've destroyed all the rest.

Going off on a tangent here, but one of the few things I remember from 3rd year of law school is that in Texas it is only illegal to have sex with somebody else's livestock.

658 posted on 07/14/2004 7:48:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
"Someone needs to kick your victrola."

Do you really believe that's what you've been doing with such childish insults?

"You libertines have been stuck in the same groove for years."

And YOU guys haven't?!? Your stuff goes back to the Inquisition, and beyond.

659 posted on 07/14/2004 7:49:05 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: dorben
" I'm still looking for your reasoned legal position to want things your way ."

Don't hold your breath. I've seen hundreds of his posts over the last two days, and not one came close.

660 posted on 07/14/2004 7:51:43 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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