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The Pornography Plague
Leadership U ^ | Kerby Anderson

Posted on 07/14/2004 7:46:19 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Phantom Lord

Actually, I know better than that.

TG is a theocrat. I know you are not.
Twisting Twenty Year Old statistics to present a dishonest series of propositions as proof, is in itself, pornographic in my view.

as for the beer.. make mine a sam adams please. And as for the "all three" comment? Let's just make that THREE sam adams on the house... PLUS a gander at the new Abercrombie and Fitch Catalogue tha went into print last month...

Some folks it seems, think a man mowing the grass with his shirt off... is pornographic via the community standards laws... go figure.


541 posted on 07/14/2004 3:26:08 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: malakhi; Tailgunner Joe
The "20 times the number of adult bookstores"

Using TJ's sources, the 20X turned out to be a wholly unsupportable number of 500,000!

And several posts previous to this, TJ has taken to complaining we are using his sources in our arguments! He himself has no tacitly admitted his sources are full of crap and not to be trusted.

542 posted on 07/14/2004 3:26:14 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You've made no attempt to even find out how many adult bookstores there are in the U.S.

Obviously, the number will be dependent upon how one defines what constitutes an "adult bookstore". If the US News article is accurate, that number was approximately 1,250 in 1997. Since I have no idea how the author derived his figures, I cannot comment on their accuracy.

543 posted on 07/14/2004 3:26:44 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Phantom Lord; robertpaulsen

robertpaulsen whines:
As a citizen, I sure would like to have a say-so in my state, or my city, or my community whether or not to allow porn, bookstores, etc.

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You already do through zoning laws. All communities, towns, etc... have the right to prohibit the establishment of adult bookstores, strip clubs, etc... within their jurisdiction.

However, your communities should not have the power to not allow me to access porn on the internet if I lived in that town, or prevent me from having playboy delivered through the mail, or to watch porno movies on my DVD player.
431 -PL-

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Well put.
Notice the 'no comment' from the Communitarian crowd.


544 posted on 07/14/2004 3:28:28 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The source for the claim that adult bookstores outnumber McDonald's restaurants in the United States by a margin of at least three to one is: "Effect of Pornography on Women and Children," U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Juvenile Justice, 98th Congress, 2nd Session, 1984, 227.

Take it up with them.

Take it up with them? YOUR the one posting the information as fact and as a major part of the basis for your argument.

Further, I have yet to see you post a single piece of factual information or respond to a single request for factual information and law code information. Why are you unable to do so?

545 posted on 07/14/2004 3:28:35 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Poohbah
I am also not afraid of your death threats against me.
546 posted on 07/14/2004 3:28:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: SanityFromTheLeftCoast
If we do the job, the government will have no need to step in and do it for us.

Agreed.

547 posted on 07/14/2004 3:29:50 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The source for the claim that adult bookstores outnumber McDonald's restaurants in the United States by a margin of at least three to one is: "Effect of Pornography on Women and Children," U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Juvenile Justice, 98th Congress, 2nd Session, 1984, 227.

Take it up with them.

Of course, Mr. Pilate.

548 posted on 07/14/2004 3:30:30 PM PDT by Poohbah (Technical difficulties have temporarily interrupted this tagline. Please stand by.)
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To: Phantom Lord

I have no reason to doubt the Senate's findings. You have not disproven them.


549 posted on 07/14/2004 3:30:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I have no reason to doubt the Senate's findings. You have not disproven them.

The 3-1 claim has been disproven repeatedly on this thread. Over and over and over we have disproved it.

550 posted on 07/14/2004 3:31:59 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: tpaine
"Notice the 'no comment' from the Communitarian crowd."

That rhetorical tactic lies in their quiver next to the ever-popular Circular Argument, Question-Begging, Argument From Absurdity, Emotional Apeals, and Ignoring Facts.

It backs up the 0.0mm shells they carry of Lies and Spin, coupled with Biased Statistics.

551 posted on 07/14/2004 3:32:37 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Not.


552 posted on 07/14/2004 3:32:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: Phantom Lord
Ah. Now I get it.

When people say that if we legalize marijuana the gang violence will stop, innocents won't be murdered, and peace on the streets will be restored, they're just referring to the marijuana gangs.

The other drug gangs will still be out there, blazing away. Well, that's no good. We'll hardly notice the difference.

Gee, I wonder when the pro-marijuana groups were going to tell us that street violence really won't be going away like they promise.

553 posted on 07/14/2004 3:33:15 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Stare Decisis means something. We will never go back legally on certain issues.

SCOTUS has reversed itself in the past and can do so again when it's clear that it's worked itself into an untenable position.

554 posted on 07/14/2004 3:33:25 PM PDT by inquest (Judges are given the power to decide cases, not to decide law)
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To: cherry

That's quite a lovely strawman. You should put up a display at a crafts show.


555 posted on 07/14/2004 3:34:02 PM PDT by jejones
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The source for the claim that adult bookstores outnumber McDonald's restaurants in the United States by a margin of at least three to one is: "Effect of Pornography on Women and Children," U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Juvenile Justice, 98th Congress, 2nd Session, 1984, 227.

Actually the source is whoever testified to that before the committee. For all we know at this point, it could have been to author of the article himself.

556 posted on 07/14/2004 3:34:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How can you say with any shred of honesty or decency that the 3-1 claim has not been proven? The number of McDonalds has been shown on this thread and using your source of Adult Video News for the number of outlets where you can rent or buy porn the 3-1 claim is a lie.


557 posted on 07/14/2004 3:34:23 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The source for the claim that adult bookstores outnumber McDonald's restaurants in the United States by a margin of at least three to one is: "Effect of Pornography on Women and Children," U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Juvenile Justice, 98th Congress, 2nd Session, 1984, 227. Take it up with them.

Anything can be stated in congressional testimony. And yet I still eat apples with no fear of Alar.

558 posted on 07/14/2004 3:34:25 PM PDT by malakhi
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Here we go again!


559 posted on 07/14/2004 3:34:46 PM PDT by Fleer
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Long Cut; Modernman
It was a joke, but I have no reason to believe that the threats I was responding to were jokes.

What threats would those be?

The threat of a free man going about his life without a by-your-leave to you? That threat? It is good that would-be tyrants feel threatened by that. It keeps them from trying to become real tyrants.

As for your whining about my alleged death threat, America is imposing Rule 7.62 on the enemies of freedom around the world, even as we speak. If you feel threatened by a reference to this great land's armed forces and their mission of defending liberty, then maybe, good sir, you should be in a cell with your buddies Achmed and Abdul, down in Gitmo.

560 posted on 07/14/2004 3:35:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (Technical difficulties have temporarily interrupted this tagline. Please stand by.)
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