Posted on 07/13/2004 10:11:42 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
You made the assertion that it is harmful. It is incumbent on you to support that assertion. In any case, it is viewed by literally millions of people who never commit any crimes, and who lead normal, healthy lives.
"Certainly not your moral relativist definition."
Strawman, with ad hominem. Ignored.
"Government is force."
And you would use that force against people who are harming no one, and divert resources from the fight against those who do. I take it you LIKE the idea of government force, if it is applied in the manner YOU prefer. What OTHER Liberties would you use that force to supress?
"Morality is the basis of all laws."
Tax laws? Speed limits? Environmental laws? Gun control laws? Repeating this old saw makes it no more true than ever. MORAL laws only clarify behavior which the overwhelming majority recognize as good, such as laws against murder or rape. The vast majority of people would never think of engaging in these behaviors. On the other hand, to proscribe, based on morality, behaviors which are NOT so recognized, is another matter altogether.
You're not helping your cause.
They can be disproven by proving the opposing positive assertion.
That is the reason why who asserts must prove. You assert that "[p]ornography is a moral cancer which destroys the minds and hearts of those who are exposed to it." Therefore, it is incumbent on you to prove the assertion. Kindly do so.
The replies are informative, too. Those that are coherent, that is.
But does that make the concept of "privacy rights" as asserted in Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade federally enforceable, especially when weighed against the 10th Amendment?
LC, your comments, arguments, and responses have been uniformly fantastic. Thank you for making the case in the only effective manner: Logically, cogently, and reasonably.
Apparently this one has you stumped, and I have some welding to do so I'll leave you to think about it.
It is dishonest to advocate or support violating the individual rights of a person. It is particularly vile to enlist a person or agent of government to violate a person's individual rights on your behalf. That you have demonstrated your dishonesty and that I pointed it out is not an ad hominem, it is the identification of contextual facts brought to light.Indeed, you have called me dishonest. This is an ad hominem. Even if I was dishonest, this would be irrelevant to the validity of my argument.
That said, much more important to the primary issue of this thread is the following:
No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him. -- Thomas Jefferson
TJ, suppose you know a person -- could be your neighbor, a coworker or anyone -- views pornography. If you think you have been harmed by that person viewing pornography you should take the person to court and present your case to an impartial jury. Do your best to prove your claim to an impartial jury that the person caused you harm by viewing pornography so that you can gain restitution for your loss and suffering.
I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution. -- Thomas Jefferson
After some time here, separating the wheat from the chaff is easy.
Seek help Joe, please.
Unfortunately the INTERNET is a broadcast medium and as such is constitutaionaly difficult to regulate.
Kudos. Most of us here support Bush as well. I have noticed though, that he doesn't seem to make policies that would thrill your little psycho world.
make should be support.
[Malicious Mopery being punishable by removal of the mopes tongue, of course.]
LOL! Good one.
When the injustice system (in its present form it produces far more injustice than justice) gets inverted to its proper role of dispensing honest judgment the "case" would never be put to trial. TJ brought up the pendulum swinging in the other direction and I then joined the thread to point out that the pendulum is marked by fully integrated honest that eliminates all bias -- religious and political bias.
Same arguments used by the moronic prohiv\bition supporters. Oh, and most were women.
Reagan didn't seem to have any problems overcoming commies in the USSR and there was porn in the 80s. Guess you don't have much faith in Bush.
Nevermind my kids, I can't even protect ME!!!
I have to be on the internet, I have use e-mail. And there is no way to avoid an inbox stuffed with porn, beastiality and penis enlargement ads.
Most of us here support Bush as well. I have noticed though, that he doesn't seem to make policies that would thrill your little psycho world.
Hilarious!...
Little psycho world, policies that thrill -- news at eleven.
But does that make the concept of "privacy rights" as asserted in Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade federally enforceable,
The USSC can't enforce their decisions. No power. But ALL of us are supposed to support Constitutional rights. Let your conscience be your guide.
especially when weighed against the 10th Amendment?
States have always been free to reasonably regulate criminal activities, using due process.
Fiat prohibitions on 'sin', or on 'evil objects' are not due process.
I would pay good money to see that exchange.
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