Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:34 AM PDT by abnegation
Homosexual Agenda Ping - been busy, didn't make it over here until now. How's the debate going, anyway?
I'm scared to look...
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
You said the alternative to having the STATE define marriage and family was perilous. I replied that the alternative was freedom, which led to to list all kinds of things about polygamy, incest, and group adoptions. Those weren't my topics - they are yours.
Let's try it another way, and maybe you'll get the point. Can you think of anything that you DON'T want the government to legislate?
Wrong again but since you don't reply I won't expound.
By the way, who the heck is Glenn Reynolds?
Instapundit.
Mayflower Sister - This BEHAVIOR is a CHOICE... a bad one.Maybe we need a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting divorce, thus making it "illegal" for men and women to leave their spouse.
carenot - So it is a bad choice for men and women to get divorces and remarry however many times they want.
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LOL, I remain unimpressed with both yours and his opinions.
Thank you for directing people to that High Priority list. Exactly what I had been searching for!
That's fine. But he and I will be laughing at you when the amendment fails to get the 2/3 it needs, and the issue ends up going nowhere.
Wrong again but since you don't reply I won't expound.Sorry jwalsh07, I wasn't aware that anyone was talking to me, I was responding to things said down the thread.
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Hang on, I'll respond to you.
exodus - God created "homos," just as he created straight guys, and God loves all his children.God created men with free will.
jwalsh07 - Scientific breakthrough? Somebody found the "gay gene"? Lets modify your sentence by a word and see how it works. God created "murderers", just as he created us all, and God loves all his children. Do you think God loves the act of murder?
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Do you believe God hates homosexuals?
Do you believe that God hates murderers?
Caught that later, forgivable misteak! ;)
Do you think their is a moral basis for parts of the Constitution?
Yes, certainly moral reasons for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were advanced at the start of this nation. The Framers had to get people to make the leap from governance by a King who was the representative of God, to the idea that certain rights were God-given, and not awardable by a King. But just because a purely religion-based strategy had to be employed 200 years ago, doesn't mean that we cannot come up with other reasons for self-governance now, that rely on the dignity of human beings, without reference to traditional Western religious concepts.
Believe me, when we're dealing with people who are adamently in favor of gay marriage, we're talking to people who believe that the pursuit of happiness that they find in the Constitution applies to homosexual relations. At least that's what I read in the Lawrence majority decision.
I came up with a possible solution on another thread about a month ago, but nobody much took me up on it. How about "Covenant Marriage" (four states already have it) for marriages that are procreative, where the eligible couple chooses it, and regular no-fault-divorce marriage for the others, including gays?
Undoubtedly Gods greates gift.
Do you believe God hates homosexuals?
No, I believGod loves homosexuals but finds the homosexual act an "abomination".
Do you believe that God hates murderers?
No, I believe God loves the sinner but hates his sins and that unless the sinner repents for those sins the path to god is not the sinners.
By the way, you never addressed the salient point of my post so I just did it for you. Do you agree with me?
So you support the majority in Lawrence v Texas even though they ignored stare decisis and the 10th Amendment?
exodus - So God hates women adulterers more than he hates the men who are also involved in the fornication? God created "homos," just as he created straight guys, and God loves all his children.You have two children, a man and a woman. You catch both of them fornicating, even after you told them you didn't approve of fornication.
bluecollarman - I love all my children..some of them do things I do not approve of. You logic in invalid.
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To teach them a lesson, you tell your son, "don't fornicate again!"
And then you kill your disobedient daughter.
Tell me, where's the love in that?
Where's the logic?
Acolytes for gay marriage have learned journalistic newspeak well from their sisters in the keep-abortion-ubiquitous movement; the preferred adjectives are the Orwellian "anti-choice" and "anti-gay-marriage." Both camps of liberals try vainly to obfuscate the obvious: the vast preponderance of Americans disapproves of most abortions and of gay marriage and is not at all chary about fighting to preserve innocent life and traditional marriage. Let the liberals fulminate; we won't be cowed into silence or submission by the crowd that champions glandular legislation.
But that is exactly what the founders did! How can you miss it? They decided that the right to life, liberty and property were inalienable rights granted by the Creator and so included that in the BOR. There is not only a moral basis for those rights, the moral basis they drew it from was religious in nature.
Moral judgements of our lives (this is the right way to live, that is the wrong way to live), have no place in the Constituion.
I'm sitting here shaking my head.
And by signing (a very important act, I think) the Constitution "...in the Year of our Lord (1787)" The People make reference to our Creator being sovereign over The People and thereby also base our Constitution upon the Declaration of Independence, which declares that "we are endowed by our Creator with... the Right to Life...."
That may be a very casual way of doing all that, but what footing does anyone have to deny that it is an expressly and fundamentally legal way? What in our nation is more fundamental?
One may say that the language "Year of our Lord" is merely a cultural convention. And the answer to that is, "EXACTLY!" and upon the convention of our culture being founded upon the sovereignty and truth of our Lord and Savior rests America. Whether any individual or group in the nation chooses in their freedom to acknowledge Him is beside the point.
(All that is true, if "words mean things." We will find out, in the case of "Homosexual Marriage" vs. "Our Foundations for Sense, Knowledge, and Reason," whether words still mean things to America.)
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