Posted on 07/07/2004 4:37:59 PM PDT by Grig
Well, watch and wait. Poppy Dixon will cut and paste Pietryzk's Penthouse Forum quote on her I-hate-Christians site, and then tdadams will post a link to Dixon. Presto! Corroboration. See?
Was it tongue-in-cheek before or after he pantsed you as a flamer and troll?
Until the sanctimony of marriage is watered down to the point of being rendered meaningless.
I'm surprised that Washington and San Francisco happened to be mentioned. /s
Interesting article. It demolishes the big lie that there's not enough money going into AIDS prevention education by pointing out the many such organizations that refuse to deal with the issues.
Until they can demonstrate that they're going to spend the money effectively -- not just making gay men feel better about being gay or being HIV-positive, but actually taking action to prevent the disease -- I think their federal funding should be slashed by the same percentage that John Kerry wanted to slash defense and intelligence spending in the 1990s.
From the past few days of engaging this abviously dishonest freeper tdadams, I'd have to completely agree with you. He claims he wants an honest discussion but only if he gets to redefine the word honest.
From the dishonest discussion techniques we've seen, I have little doubt he would think the source in that case was credible. I've done a lot of searching and can't find anybody but Pietryzk that attributes the quote to Dr. Cameron, and with a denial on record, a further quote shedding huge doubt on Pietryzk's claim plus the interview context provided, the quote is almost sure to prove false or completely out of context.
And now, after a search, a few comments of his have surfaced in support of the legalization of drugs. He claims to be a libertarian, but where the Libertarian platform and the Looney Leftie platform diverge -- i.e., the issue of gun control -- tdadams has been very conspicuous by his absence.
A Looney Leftie and gay rights fanatic, pretending to be a libertarian? You be the judge.
I purchased The Overhauling of Straight America to verify the summary of the book because tdadams kept stating the summary misrepresented the authors. Having book in hand I asked him what points of the summary misrepresented the authors. He wouldn't respond. So I took one of the points in the summary and scanned in the relevant pages from the book which demonstrated the summary to be accurate. He wasn't interested.
Then I asked him to pick a point, any point - any of the 62 summary points and I'd scan the relevant pages from the book. And in return of my generous offer he said some rather unkind things to me. He's just not interested in an honest discussion.
From what little context was provided, I gather that the subject of how ancient societies dealt with deviancy had been brought up by the interviewer, and Cameron unwisely commented on the proffered bait.
He went for it, too, in another context. Sometime about 1982 he was giving a talk to a community group, in which the text was to include the incidence of pederasty. It was anecdotal common knowledge that that was a common problem with pervs -- which is circular reasoning, I realize, but that was the state of knowledge back then about topics that honest people, out of consideration for others, didn't often bring up outside the squad room, the psychiatrist's office, or the youth-leaders' conclave.
Before the talk was to begin, a story began going through the crowd that a manhunt was in progress, that Nebraska state police were hot on the heels of a pederast or pederasts who had committed a horrendous crime that had been discovered that very day. It was topical, and so Cameron unwisely mentioned it in his remarks to the group. He was promptly denounced by gay activists and University of Nebraska faculty for spreading false rumors and defaming homosexuals. That was the beginning of his "ethical" problems with the APA and Division 44. The story itself disappeared into thin air -- it was completely false, there had been no crime and there was no big police search in progress. It was a plant.
Can you spell, "setup"?
You have to remember that Cameron is from Nebraska. Nebraskans (I have had some contact with them "in their native element" as snobs would say) are direct, friendly, hospitable, and honest as hell. Nuance, artifice, duplicity, indirection, deep cunning, and the black arts of the eunuchs' court are foreign to them.
But not to the detractors of Paul Cameron.
Used, I hope! ;)
That's how I read it. But as you said, Dr. Cameron detractors don't care and won't comment on the context nor other comments made in the interview.
I very rare purchase used books and didn't this time either... But I sure thought about it.
Very revealing comments, scrip. Classic dishonesty, or rather out and out lying. Goebbels' Big Lie methodology in action. That is the homosexual agenda promoters' main weapon in their aresenal - Lie, Lie, and Lie again. Why else do they want to squelch honest debate, freedom of speech, and try to destroy messengers who tell the truth?
Actually, that isn't true at all.
There's also a cottage industry of criticism of Judith Reisman, who if anything is more trenchant in her opinion of the Gay Left than Cameron.
There is Charles Socarides and NARTH, which Socarides founded. Nobody has accused Socarides of procedural impropriety -- at least, nobody I'm aware of.
Then there are Zuriff and others, and the private bloggers and commentators like Erik Holland's excellent website that treat the subject with serious attention to sources and often provide bibliographies.
You can't just yell "Cameron is a bum!" or "Reisman is a troll!" and sweep it all under the rug.
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