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TREPIDATION [West Texas town fear a polygamous church group]
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | 07/06/2004 | Bill Hanna

Posted on 07/06/2004 7:42:15 AM PDT by jtminton

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To: Jivana108
Just a FYI to all of you. There are many,many, sects to the Mormon church. The biggest sect, largely populate Salt Lake City, actually do NOT support or believe in polygamy. The Mormons who DO support polygamy are a very small population of that faith. But dont make the mistake of lumping all the Mormons together. I was born and raised LDS but am not actively involved in the church anymore. The LDS church that I grew up in did not believe or support modern day polygamy. There are many "off shoot" groups that claim to be Mormon and practice polygamy.

There is only one Mormon Church - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just because these loons want to name themselves after an established religion and play pretend does not mean that they have any legitimate connection. In fact, they have no legitimate connection. These "offshoot" groups are, simply, way off.

61 posted on 07/06/2004 9:13:13 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Scourge of God
one person's personal faith is as valid as anyone elses.

This is a ludricrous statement. You cannot separate internal faith from the object of that faith.

If I decide to worship tulips in my backyard, you might conclude, "Wow, whatever spiritually turns you on." But the sincerity and convictions of my faith that tulips are worthy of worship does not lead to the conclusion that such a faith is "as valid as anyone else's."

The Sci-Fi channel had its Twilight Zone marathon during the weekend. One of the episodes was a spaceship that crashed into a pond, and footprints leading out to the nearby diner where 6 bus passengers were waiting a snowstorm. The policemen came in, having been informed that the bridge was structually unsound and was being given a review to see if it was passable.

The Martian arranged an illusion--a phone call from the bridge's phantom architect-- to a policeman to assure that it was okay to go on, when it wasn't. The bridge collapsed, killing both policemen in their car and all of the bus passengers.

The cop had faith in the illusionary architect. The bus driver was very leary of the condition of the bridge, and had much less faith, but was stupid enough to follow the cop car too closely.

I suppose your conclusion would be that this cop's personal faith in the architect "was just as valid as anyione else's."

62 posted on 07/06/2004 9:18:10 AM PDT by Colofornian (Faith ALWAYS has an object)
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To: goldwaterlives
so all religions and belief systems are equally valid?

No. But the problem lies in determining which one is the most valid. Since it ultimately comes down to a subjective leap of faith based on incomplete information no matter how you slice it, we need to leave it up to otherwise law abiding people to pick which one they thinks is valid. That doesn't mean that I personally think they are all equally valid or correct. In fact, where they are mutually exclusive, some must be more valid than others.

63 posted on 07/06/2004 9:19:27 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Eva
Eva - the book "Under the Banner of Heaven" which deals with the fundy poly LDS sects also stated the same thing - - that she was "married" to one of these "prophets" and was subjected to rape....since this was not "consensual"......
64 posted on 07/06/2004 9:22:10 AM PDT by duckbutt ( I Haven't Lost My Mind, It's Backed Up On Disk Somewhere)
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To: Spiff
When are people going to figure that out and stop connecting this stuff with the LDS Church?

When you put a male bunny and a female bunny together, but then (eventually) keep them forever apart, it's a little late to say, when are these generations of bunnies going to stop reproducing?

65 posted on 07/06/2004 9:22:11 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Issaquahking
yes, you're right. the title blurb ("the mormons are comming! the mormons are comming!") is entirely incorrect. these people have nothing in common with today's latter day saints church, except a shared past that has been severed.
66 posted on 07/06/2004 9:24:34 AM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: Delphinium
But they do "testitify" that the men who started and promoted polygamy were the true prophets of God. These men prophesied that it was under Gods command.

Good point. Today's Mormons constantly have to reinvent the history of their religion, including its racism.

67 posted on 07/06/2004 9:25:31 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Spiff
There is only one Mormon Church - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just because these loons want to name themselves after an established religion and play pretend does not mean that they have any legitimate connection. In fact, they have no legitimate connection. These "offshoot" groups are, simply, way off.

Did the Mormons not abandon polygamy as a condition of obtaining statehood?

Can it not then be argued that being coerced to do so was a violation of the Constitution?

That would then make the splinter groups that still practice polygamy more faithful to the original teachings, would it not?

68 posted on 07/06/2004 9:26:54 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good ' - Hillary Marx)
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To: bmwcyle
Have you seen the 10 commandments tablets?
And no, I'm not LDS.
69 posted on 07/06/2004 9:27:31 AM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: AppyPappy

Bolting is something animals do if you approach them. First they eye you warily, and if you get close they bolt. Missionaries don't bolt, they leave, unless you try to approach them, then they may bolt if they think you are a threat.


70 posted on 07/06/2004 9:28:29 AM PDT by webheart
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To: Colofornian
When are people going to figure that out and stop connecting this stuff with the LDS Church?

David Berkowitz, Son of Sam's protege, is a professing Christian who says he's been forgiven of all of his sins. It's very likely he has been forgiven; but there are still consequences to his acts, and he doesn't even request to be released on parole even tho he comes up for parole every few yrs.

There are consequences to Son of Sam. And there are consequences to Son of Joseph (the spiritual sons of Joseph).

71 posted on 07/06/2004 9:28:33 AM PDT by Colofornian (What do Son of Sam's protege, John D. Lee, & Porter Rockwell have in common?)
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To: mountaineer
including its racism.

Adam/God,United Order, Blood Atonement, Polygamy, Blacks never to hold priesthood, etc...

These would be too socially unexceptable.
72 posted on 07/06/2004 9:29:21 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: jtminton
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, based in Arizona and Utah, is believed to be the largest polygamist group in the country.

Huh?

What happened to Islam?

73 posted on 07/06/2004 9:29:24 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: frankenMonkey
They have not found the Arch of the Convenient yet but my Bible tells me it will be found again. It is not the time but I think it is going to be in this century.
74 posted on 07/06/2004 9:29:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: bmwcyle
There is proof Jesus lived. They have found Sodom and Gomorrah. There are men right now going to the location of Noah's Arch from Sat photos. We know where the saints traveled. I could got on but I still need to have more proof on the tablets that I think are a fabrication.

The only proof, outside of the New Testament, that Jesus lived, the only historical record, is a few lines in the writings of Josephus. And Noah's Arc has yet to be identified, despite any satellite photos.

Where's the proof that John the Baptist baptized Jesus? Where's the proof that Jesus walked on water? Where's the proof that Jesus raised himself from the dead, and walked away from his own tomb? Where's the proof that the Apostle Peter denied Jesus three times, or that he was crucified upside down at his own request? Where's the proof that the pope is infallible? Where's the proof that God has given his approval and blessing to any protestant church?

I submit that if you showed an atheist the writing of Josephus, the photos of the location of the arc, the Shroud of Turan, and the archeological findings of Sodom and Gomorrah, and then you said; "see, proof of God's existence" they'd laugh in your face. All true religion demands faith. The New Testament has dire examples of what happens to people who demand proof from God. The only proof you will ever get is a burning in your heart when you are touched by the Holy Spirit.

75 posted on 07/06/2004 9:32:07 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: duckbutt

I have hesitated to discuss the Elizabeth Smart incident because the Mormon defense team on FreeRepublic immediately takes offense at any discussion of possible faults involving Mormons. But, I felt that the public were taken in by the Smart family and the Mormon church, who obviously were aware of what had happened to Elizabeth and covered it up to avoid attention on this fundamentalist sect, despite the fact that the sect has no affiliation with the mainstream LDS. We all thought that the Smarts were weird and couldn't get over the pleas to the kidnappers that sounded so strange an overly optimistic. All along, they knew something that the public didn't know.


76 posted on 07/06/2004 9:33:31 AM PDT by Eva
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To: bmwcyle
But, in all fairness, I haven't actually seen the Ark of the Covenant. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

My faith say is does. But I have no physical proof of its existence.

77 posted on 07/06/2004 9:34:24 AM PDT by uglybiker (I misspell ekxentric on purpose just to be different)
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To: bmwcyle

This is a fundie sect that has NOTHING in common with the majority of Mormons.....regular Mormons want NOTHING to do with the Polygamist/fundies as they are a constant source of embarrasment.

And yes, I am speaking from experience. I have family members who are mormon (although very "jack" for the most part) and my best friend growing up was Mormon and her family was not more screwy then any other.


78 posted on 07/06/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: Michael.SF.
Did the Mormons not abandon polygamy as a condition of obtaining statehood?Can it not then be argued that being coerced to do so was a violation of the Constitution? That would then make the splinter groups that still practice polygamy more faithful to the original teachings, would it not?

Excellent point. Statehood was HUGE. But it wasn't the final straws. The final straws for LDS' general authorities in the 1880s were the Edmunds Act (1882) and the Edmunds-Tucker Act (1887). The Edmunds Act kept polygamists from voting or holding office. The Edmunds-Tucker Act expanded that in many ways, with the biggest threat being that it dissolved the LDS church as a legal entity (and seized much of its property).

The LDS "prophet-prez" buckled under such a threat, and therefore, had God repent over polygamy and do a u-turn.

79 posted on 07/06/2004 9:37:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Scourge of God

I agree with the last statement. The Shroud of Turan is not a good proof. This is about Mormons and they have is poor at best.


80 posted on 07/06/2004 9:37:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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