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Posted on 07/05/2004 7:07:16 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
You do if you have to borrow the money to pay for them. Ever notice who buys all our our government bonds to fund our deficits and manipulate their currencies?
And not ONE WORD about how taxation and regulation and unemployment insurance and workman's comp and litigation and OSHA etc. are driving up costs here.
The reason China is super-competitive is not just cheap labor. You can get tooled up cheaply in China too, and that is not tied to labor costs. It is cheaper (in taxes regulations, and other non-wage costs) to do business in a supposedly Communist nation than in a supposedly Capitalist nation. Who is to blame for that?
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Chinese labor is even better than slave labor! There aren't any upfront costs, as there are with purchasing slaves!
Say, there's an idea. Why not advocate bringing slavery back?
From the article: There have been more than 2.5 million manufacturing jobs lost in the United States since the start of 2001, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
And what have we replaced those jobs with? Part time, poorly paid jobs at such places as Wal-Mart. Free traitin' is ripping the heart out of America and will ultimately devastate the entire wage structure of this country.
And ask yourself - what will China do when they control most of the manufacturing capability in the world? What then?
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Wages are not the issue, or the most important problem. The problem is that we impose huge costs on business in the U.S. that mean that even if you built an automated factory with so few workers that there was no wage advantage to doing it in China, it would STILL be much cheaper in China.
Doesn't it make you ashamed of our supposed capitalism that supposed Communists have a better business environment?
I cant speak for all manufacturing but I really get tired of this textile argument.
I worked in textile as a young fellow. My parents worked in textile until one died and the other lost her health.
Textile may be great to those who exploited cheap labor in the South but very few people including slaves worked under any worse conditions.
This is from upfront and on the line I was there!
I worked in textiles for 15 years. I saw no "exploitation" of the hired labor in all my time in the industry and I spent time in yarn plants so far back in the Carolina pines that they had to pump the sunshine in.
People who work in the mills do it for the money and they are glad to have the jobs. You do a disservice to them all.
There are things more important than "cheaper".
Doesn't it make you ashamed of our supposed capitalism that supposed Communists have a better business environment?
It makes me ashamed that Americans are so eager to save a penny that they knife their fellow Americans in the back. Is saving cents all we're about? Is that the totality of America? Is that meager little coin what General Washington and the patriots at Valley Forge fought and died for?
Yes, with slaves you just feed 'em and breed 'em. Kind of like Communist China, where there's no end to the political prisoners which can be put to use for cheap labor.
I am about as anti-union as one can be but what you posted about sums it up. The purist free traders who think that losing most of our basic manufacturing is a non issue live in a dream world. The vast majority of Americans will never work in biotech, nanotech, or any kind of technology. Not everyone is going to be able to make a living banking or selling life insurance. We are in an economic trade war that some are oblivious to. On the other hand, we all know that if we lived in a totally protectionist society, a Ford Taurus would cost $100k per car. The real hidden costs to society of business shutdown from industry to industry is not being fully recognized. I got a Timex watch for Father's Day, watch made in the Philippines and the band in China. I think what is really dangerous is that the conservative free trades do not recognize how many families are being pushed into the DEM camp with these policies. How else is a guy like Kerry even pulling the poll numbers that he is getting? Certainly not on personality.
At the time, did you feel at all guilty about the economic devastation and ruin wreaked on Northeastern cities such as Lowell, Mass. when one by one the mills closed and the stable, high-paying jobs that used to support hundreds of thousands of families in the Northeast went down South because of the low wages and land prices there? So many in the South who complain about the ravages of 'free trade' were singing a completely different tune when that freedom was destroying the Northeast, because it was putting bread on their own tables.
I live in Pittsburgh. I understand the concept completely.
Ask this question: Who was on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors when the decision in 1989 was made to buy more from the ChiComs?
Hillary.
The Clintons are so pro-ChiCom they forced the change to a Communism over Capitalism philsophy.
You mean you "survive" in the burgh. Dem stronghold forever. My sympathies are extended. I am a Stiller fan all the way...
I'm all for a little economic chauvanism at the margins, but we have not earned it, nor would it do us any good in the face of greedy corrupt unions, fat leeching bureucrats, graft-ridden officials, and a government that consumes more of the GDP than the Red Freakin' Communist Yellow Peril Chinese.
We need to take the great plank out of our own eye.
good post!
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