Posted on 07/04/2004 7:39:07 AM PDT by nwrep
No Dear GOD decides who's who not you you or me, I am sure GOD would love it if we were all One Big Happy Family giving Big Hugs don't you?
Sweetie, Jews decide who is Jewish. End of story. If your mama wasn't Jewish, and you did not halachically convert, then you ain't Jewish, no matter how much you want to call yourself a "Jew for Jesus".
That's the thing Malakhi, there is no way of knowing that because there is no documentation to back it up? Jacob had 12 Sons which I believe are the Original 12 tribes of Israel, the apostles are part of this tribe, This is GOD'S chosen people, it does not say biblically that over time through inter-marraige he does not consider them Chosen any longer right?
How many generations did the apostles children and there children and so on through generations did or did not marry Jews?
We don't know that?
You cannot determine Conversion on who is truly a Gentile unless they have claimed Atheism.
I think you are coming up with who is Jewish by history standards of the 20th Century...
You have never studied Jewish law, have you?
Within Judaism, we do know, because Jewishness does matter to us, and we've kept track of it from generation to generation.
There is no way of knowing for those outside of Judaism. But really, what difference does that make in any case?
I am not being argumenative really, but what you and Malakhi say just isn't in the Bible from the research I have done...NOAH created the world with GENTILES so in a way I guess we all have Gentile decendants...
Even Elvis Presley had a Jewish grandmother...
Only GOD's law Man always has an opinion, sometimes way to many :-)
The research you have done? And this includes analysis of Torah in Hebrew, right? No? Didn't think so. Your KJV is NOT in depth study.
Dodgeball was hysterical. Enjoy. :-)
No it's this Malakhi 2 and 2 is 4 but 3 and 1 is four the outcome is the same, so you are saying what I am saying just in a different way to get to the same result....
I am not dis-counting TORAH, but if you believe GOD's Chosen people were the JEWS as I do, then you have to agree the Apostles of Jesus were of those tribes? that being the case please tell me in TORAH where GOD has now taken them out of his people to be the Children of Israel?
Where does that say the Jewish believers decendants of Jacob are no longer the Children of Israel..GOD's Chosen?
Truer words were never written.
Only the sheep.
You just said you could not keep track of it because it was 80 generations ago. SO tell me what happened to all the Jewish decendants of the early church, I bet not one Rabbi has a clue how to answer that question.
Because there is not way to track what persons came from the Gentile World and the Jewish one...Although I think the most Evil people through-out History, Hitler, Stalin Herrod are from Gentile Ancestery..
In todays world we have people that identify with Judiasm through history and culture, and many ethnic groups can identify with culture and religious practices, but when it comes to the 12 Tribes of Israel GOD's CHOSEN PEOPLE and there decendants through geneaology you cannot track it, like you said it was 80 or so Generations ago and from those tribes are Jewish Christians.....
Actually, the name apparently was Kerry, but it was from what it now the Czech Republic rather than Ireland. I found it interesting that this came up right before the NY primary.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136503/posts
It was. And I did! :o)
"Maybe Kerry should join some New Age "inclusive" church where all are welcome no matter what they believe, if anything."
I thought that Jesuit "Center" just as you describe is where he has been going all along.
No one disputes that the immediate followers of Jesus were Jews.
that being the case please tell me in TORAH where GOD has now taken them out of his people to be the Children of Israel?
Israel was commanded not to intermarry.
You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons. (Deuteronomy 7:3)
Those to whom their Jewishness ceased to matter, who intermarried and ceased to obey the commandments, were cut off from Israel. For example:
Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:14)
You shall keep the sabbath, because it is holy for you; every one who profanes it shall be put to death; whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Exodus 31:14)
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