The Abortion Issue Has Little, if Any, Effect on the Catholic Vote

LA Times ^ | June 18, 2004 | Fr. Andrew Greeley

[Texas Eagle]

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Where does it say the twenty-four elders ever served time on earth? They're angels not dead people. And it doesn't say that the prayers came to the elders and they forwarded them to God. It just says our prayers go into a golden bowl.

Why must you Catholics insist on minimizing what Jesus did on The Cross?

[Texas Eagle]

What kind of a stupid question is that?

One that paints you into a corner.

If he does that, he is subject to criminal and canon law, and laicized. Then, his title would be removed.

Oh, oh, oh. Criminal law isn't good enough for Catholics. First he must go through the political machinations before he loses his "title".

Now, what was my original statement? Oh, yeah. Something about the Catholic church being more of a political organization than a spiritual one.

[B Knotts]

Why must you Catholics insist on minimizing what Jesus did on The Cross?

Not gonna even get drawn into that kind of an argument, because I don't attack Protestants, like you attack Catholics.

[B Knotts]

One that paints you into a corner.

LOL...you fancy yourself quite the debater, eh? Yeah, you really got me there! Do you still call someone by their title if they commit a crime?!? Oh, man...the logic is just so...impressive.

[Desdemona]

Why must you Catholics insist on minimizing what Jesus did on The Cross?

This is why we actually have a corpus on the cross. We call it a Crucifix. It is a permanant reminder.

[Texas Eagle]

LOL...you fancy yourself quite the debater, eh? Yeah, you really got me there! Do you still call someone by their title if they commit a crime?!? Oh, man...the logic is just so...impressive.

I don't know how smart I am but thankfully Christianity is not an intellectual pursuit. Otherwise I might boast about how smart I am instead of simply worshipping Jesus.

Which begs the question: Who is the patron saint of intelligence? St. Alex of Trebek?

[sevry]

Where does it say thou shalt jump through myriad hoops before being declared a Saint?

If by 'hoops' you mean, pass some standard, that's not the case today. It's the problem of the 'reform' regime of JP II. He's canonized more 'Saints' than in the entire history of The Church prior to him. In future, it's obvious that a more orthodox and reasonable Pope is going to have to rescind all of these canonizations, under JP II, and look at them, again. Under this regime, they apparently even dispensed with the office of 'devil's advocate', and whatever checks and balances on claims for this or that person. It appears to be a callous, indifferent, and rubber-stamp process, instead. Worse, there are suggestions that those with 'contributions' get their 'causes' heard, first.

[Aquinasfan]

Where does it say thou shalt jump through myriad hoops before being declared a Saint?

The Church doesn't teach that the number of saints in Heaven is limited to the saints canonized by the Church.

Canonization and Beatification

Canonization, generally speaking, is a decree regarding the public ecclesiastical veneration of an individual. Such veneration, however, may be permissive or preceptive, may be universal or local. If the decree contains a precept, and is universal in the sense that it binds the whole Church, it is a decree of canonization; if it only permits such worship, or if it binds under precept, but not with regard to the whole Church, it is a decree of beatification.

Have you found Luther's doctrine of "The Bible alone" in the Bible yet?

[Gaby]

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