Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research.

On Line opinion ^ | June 08, 2004 | Dr David van Gend

[EdReform]

Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic

[Junior]

Homosexuals can change - they can leave the homosexual lifestyle and marry someone of the opposite sex.

Or at least have carnal relations with them...

[jongaltsr]

Research Has proven that the majority of homosexuality is learned and Very, Very little is genetics.

A bell curve of male or female characteristics are found in both males and females. Some of those characteristics are physical and some are chemical (physiological). It is the latter that would account for homosexual tenancy's. It is also a rather skewed bell curve and very few samples on the extremes as the normal bell curve would indicate.

Research has proven this time after time but it is the "Non" professionals that report their version of what they think justifies their view points that ever gets reported on the news. Of course the news media never researches their sources which compounds the problem.

[nmh]

Homosexuality is an EMOTIONAL disorder acted out when they are of age.

NO ONE IS BORN THAT WAY!

It's all about EMOTIONAL neglect, EMOTIONAL abuse and other EMOTIONAL deficits.

[nmh]

Homosexuality is an EMOTIONAL disorder acted out when they are of age.

NO ONE IS BORN THAT WAY!

It's all about EMOTIONAL neglect, EMOTIONAL abuse and other EMOTIONAL deficits. Forgot SEXUAL abuse as well.

[hunter112]

Are we genetically programmed to be religious? Or is it a choice, all based on learned behavior?

[evad]

Did you retract a statement of yours somewhere along the line, and I missed it?

Not at all.

The debate that I'm talking about (and the title of the thread) is the question of homosexuality being behavioral or genetic. I find convincing arguments on both sides of that argument although I tend to lean in the 'genetic' direction as to cause.

But, maybe I'm the one that misunderstood. What did you mean by the pro-homosexuality side?

>>What specific points on the pro-homosexuality side do you find overwhelming? <<

[evad]

You don't think perversion is a mental illness

Sure don't.

If it were, how would we ever convict a pervert in our court system?

[Freakazoid]

Check out the information here---> Click here

[evad]

Bookmarked..
gimme the cliff notes version on the question of behavior versus genetics.
Where does it fall?

[scripter]

Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic

Now there's a well written article that I forgot about. Thanks.

[William Terrell]

I find convincing arguments on both sides of that argument although I tend to lean in the 'genetic' direction as to cause.

But, maybe I'm the one that misunderstood. What did you mean by the pro-homosexuality side?

Ok. I'll try to be more clear. The are two sides to the argument, as you say. That means that there is a side that is against the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined. It is anti-homosexual because that side refutes the basis for which homosexuals claim special consideration.

With me so far?

The side that supports that notion, on which the homosexuals claim equal tolerance for lifestyle, anti-"hate" legislation, marriage rights, adoption rights, et cetera, is necessarily pro-homosexual.

Now, which pro-homosexual specific argument do you see as overwhelming evidence for the genetic cause of homosexuality?

[nmh]

"Are we genetically programmed to be religious? Or is it a choice, all based on learned behavior?"

We are ALL spiritually wired. It is a CHOICE on what we do about it. Learned behavior comes from seeking your choice.

Madonna ... involved with Jewish mysticism is seeking to fill that spiritual void. Others ignore the void. Her "learned behavior" is a product of what is thought to be acceptable for her beliefs.

[William Terrell]

Sure don't.

Then you think it is mental health?

If it were, how would we ever convict a pervert in our court system?

That's merely idiosyncrasies in our law. A "perversion" is not due to a physical aberration, unless it is based on an organic psychosis; it is based on a perceptual aberration, and therefore a functional psychosis.

Mental illness, in other words.

[evad]

The side that supports that notion, on which the homosexuals claim equal tolerance for lifestyle, anti-"hate" legislation, marriage rights, adoption rights, et cetera, is necessarily pro-homosexual.

Under that definition, since I do believe there are genetic traits that lead young adults to a homosexual lifestyle, you can put me as PRO.

However, I have no use for, nor do I believe in anti-"hate" legislation, marriage rights, adoption rights, et cetera, or any of the rest of what I consider the homosexual agenda.

What I have said at the very beginning and still firmly believe is as follows:
Although I have no doubts that there are ways to 'reprogram' early stage homosexuals I find it hard to believe that young kids would choose a homosexual lifestyle over a heterosexual one.

Until someone can adequately explain that one I will continue to disbelieve that homosexual is totally behavioral. There HAS to be more to it.

[hunter112]

We are ALL spiritually wired.

Scientific evidence, please? Is there a "God gene"? Where is the adaptive value of having the gene, to pass it down to other generations? Why hasn't that gene been bred out of populations where it has been obviously deleterious (Islamic societies immediately come to mind.)

Further, and to the point, even if it is proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no biological basis for being religious, would we still allow people to pick and choose their religions?

If the opposite was conclusively proved, and we knew for a fact that all people were indeed, "spiritually wired", would we continue to allow people to choose NOT to be religious? Or would our society define it as some sort of mental disorder, since those who choose to be nonreligious are not acting in accordance with their genetic predisposition, and must have been negatively impacted by their environment?

[scripter]

I'm sure this will lead off the 6 o'clock news.

If only we could get the major media outlets to do just that. Getting the truth to those who only see the incredible (yet very biased) pro-homosexual headlines is a worthwhile task.

[William Terrell]

Yes, yes, but which evidence do you consider overwhelming that homosexuals are caused by one or more genes? You did make that statement. Will you withdraw it?

[sitetest]

Ping.

Thought this might be of interest to you.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Agreed.