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The Janus* face of Islam
Rational Thinking.Humanists.net ^ | 1/16/02 | Abul Kasem

Posted on 06/24/2004 3:01:53 PM PDT by veronica

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To: inquest
Well, there is the technical fact that only Congress is forbidden to infringe on the free exercise of religion...

Islam is a doctrine for social and military conquest concocted by a wascally first millenium arabic general, not a religion.
21 posted on 06/24/2004 6:01:04 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: veronica

You have done the members of FR a huge service by posting this no-nonsense, totally honest analysis of the cult of mohammad. As an aussie, I'm proud to see the author writes from my country. We are not PC here. We call it as we see it. We don't swallow wholesale lies. Our Press, though biased to the Left, (as the majority of journalists are,) still publishes the truth. Muslim crime in Sydney is 'through the roof' - with only 240,000 muslim immigrants in the entire country, they are making themselves felt. Painfully. Accusations of intolerence, oppression, ignorance; muslims are not careful how they insult Australians... Australians are the most tolerant people on earth. 30% of the population is now of post WW2 migrant stock. All have to a great extent assimmilated. They love the way of life. ( I can say all that, I'm a migrant myself.)

But not the muslims. No way. They aggitate. Look sideways at one at the traffic lights, and it's a hate crime. Meanwhile, we have pack rapes, honour killings, more mosques...and the icing on the cake; fat bearded imams in nighshirts with proven terrorist links ( the latest is out on strict bail conditions) awaiting trial...preaching jihad on his website.
What was his occupation? (Before he became a terrorist supporter)
He was a baggage handler at one of our airlines!
The PC laws in the US ( and europe) only serve to hide muslim crime:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0104/64.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/726673/posts

Read the biography of the 'prophet' free pdf book. See tagline.


22 posted on 06/24/2004 6:39:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (UNDERSTAND EVIL. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Link on My Page.)
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To: veronica

good find - added to my Archive


23 posted on 06/24/2004 6:58:01 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks, mate. :)


24 posted on 06/24/2004 7:51:52 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: dennisw; SJackson; BenF; Nachum; Yehuda; DonaldDuke; Sabertooth; JohnHuang2; kattracks; hchutch; ...

FYI...


25 posted on 06/24/2004 7:53:23 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: BenF; Coroner; DonaldDuke; dennisw; Fred Nerks; HiTech RedNeck; hchutch; inquest; JohnHuang2; ...
Virgins? What virgins?
by Ibn Warraq
Saturday January 12, 2002
Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.
What the Qur'an Really Says
by Saykh Prof. Abdul Haddi Palazzi
The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled... Viewing the Jewish return to Israel as a Western invasion and Zionists as recent colonizers is new. It has no basis in authentic Islamic faith. According to the Qur'an, no person, people or religious community can claim a permanent right of possession over any territory. The Earth belongs exclusively to God, and He is free to entrust sovereignty over land to whomever He likes for whatever time period that He chooses.
Whose Land Is Israel?
by Vendyl Jones
I took out a photograph of the above satellite image and pointed out the perfect Hebrew words "Ki-Luz-HaShem-Efraiyim." The accountant was aghast. "How did you make that?" he inquired. When I had to explain that these were just the shadows of the mountains and that the words were written there since the creation, he was dumbfounded. He took the picture and showed it to everyone in the garage.
I'd quibble with this last one -- the writing that can be seen on those photos would have appeared at about the time the Covenant was made, more particularly, when the Cities of the Plain were destroyed.
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26 posted on 06/24/2004 8:06:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: OpusatFR

I have long believed the prophesied "last empire" being of western europe was nonsensical. The characteristic beheading mentioned in the book of Revelation fairly shreiks "Islam" to me.


27 posted on 06/24/2004 8:48:45 PM PDT by Woahhs (the choice is not between peace and war, only between fight and surrender.)
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To: SunkenCiv

"Virgins? What Virgins?" Is what I always think of when I see the face of Atta. He gets to the gates of paradise, and allah hands him raisins...

"What the Qur'an Really Says" is incomprehensible - unless one understands the the HOW and WHEN and WHY the 'verses' were 'revealed' to mohammad. Each utterance was nothing but justification of crime.

"Whose Land is Israel?" Reminds me of 'The First Palestinian State' a look at the history of Arafat.
http://www.ourjerusalem.com/opinion/story/opinion20031210.html

And don't forget, America was discovered by islam, as was the Australian continent. Columbus was a muslim. As was Jesus and Abraham...
American Muslim History:
http://www.islam101.com/history/muslim_us_hist.html

Believe it not!


28 posted on 06/24/2004 9:00:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (UNDERSTAND EVIL. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Link on My Page.)
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To: veronica

Holy cow!!!!! Good one!


29 posted on 06/25/2004 3:38:15 AM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; Fred Nerks; HiTech RedNeck; King Prout; veronica
In order to understand the 'real Islam' we must look at Qur’an in chronological order and not the way it is published.

Pay attention kiddies. Maybe you know this already, maybe you don't. But the dopey Koran is not arranged chronologically. In contrast, the Jewish Tanach (Old Testament) and the New Testament are chronological. This author's insights come from reading Koran chronologically. Thus the kinder, gentler Meccan verses are easily seen to come early on in Muhammad's career.

From the internet--->>>
The Koran is not organized chronologically like the Bible (which starts at Genesis, the beginning, and ends with Revelations, the end days). Instead, the chapters of the Koran are ordered from longest to shortest.

 

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SUH8_NMCfMIJ:iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Islam/IbnWarraqWTC.htm+%22Cast+terror+in+the+hearts,+smite+the+neck%22&hl=en

What should we make with these further  unfortunate verses from the Qur’an:

*Torment to Non-believers->IV.56 
*Only Islam Acceptable-> III.85
* No friends from outsiders->III.118
*No friends with Jews, christians->V. 51
* No friends with non believers->IV.144, III.28
* No friends with parents/siblings if not believers->IX.23
* Fight non-believers->IX.123 * Kill non-believers->IV.89
*Anti Jewish verses->V.82
* God a "plotter"->VIII.30
*Killing Idolators->IX.5
* Idolators are unclean just because they are idolator->IX.28
* Forcing non-believers to pay tax->IX.29
* The Torment of Hell->XLIV.43-58
* All except Muslims/Jews/Christians/Sabeans will go to hell->II.62, V.69
* Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers->VIII.12
* Smite the neck of unbelievers->XLVII.4
*  Severe Punishment for atheists->X.4 ; V.10 ; V.86
*  Severe Punishment for non-believers->XXII.19-22 ; LXXII.23, XCVIII.6
*Punishing non-believers of Hereafter->XVII.10
* Punishing for rejecting faith->III.91
* Non believers go to hell->IV.140 ; VII.36 * Partial Believers go to hell too->IV.150-1
* Sadistic punishments->LVI.42-43
* Punishment for apostates->XVI.106 ; III.86-88 ; III.90 ; IV.137.
* Threat of punishement for not going to war->IX.38-39, XLVIII.16
 *God making someone more sinful so he can be punished more->III178
*Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth->VI.25 ; VI.110
* Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Quran->XVII.45-46
* It is God who causes people to err and He punishes them for that->XVII.97
* God could guide, if he chose to, but did not->VI.35
* Intentionally misguiding those whom he pleases to->XIV.4
* Willfully misguiding some->XVI.93
* God causes human to err->IV.143 ; VII.178
* God deceiving humans->IV.142

30 posted on 06/25/2004 4:02:29 AM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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What I say is going to be really politically incorrect, but from my view, Islam is the AntiChrist. It denies the Divinity of Christ. It also transgresses against the last lines of The Revelation which state that nothing is to be added, and nothing is to be taken away.

This is a great article. I don't think that Mohammed (a demon-possessed pedophile according to Franklin Graham) was THE Anti-Christ -- in my opinion, he was one of a long line of lesser anti-christs sent by Satan to both lead the faithful astray and war against the remaining faithful. Even ideologies such as Communism and Nazism may have been Satanically-inspired.

31 posted on 06/25/2004 4:31:19 AM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: *balkans

Bump


32 posted on 06/25/2004 10:19:15 AM PDT by Dragonfly
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To: Dragonfly

bump and ping for later reading ...


33 posted on 06/25/2004 10:24:32 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: dennisw

"In order to understand the 'real islam' we must look at Qur'an in chronological order and not the way it is published."

And the best way to do this, is to read the biography of mohammad.

Discover when and why and how the 'verses' he 'recited through the intermediary of the archangel Gabriel'

Each utterance was nothing but a self-serving justification for criminal activity. The 'prophet' was a warlord. An evil, conniving psychopath.

Allah has the mindset of an arab. Allah thinks like mohammad. Ever wondered why?

Download this free biography written by an eminent historian - published in 1913 - it includes ancient arabic sources in the numerous footnotes.

Understand the cult of mohammad - understand islam. See my tagline.


34 posted on 06/25/2004 4:41:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (UNDERSTAND EVIL. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Link on My Page.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for this...keep me on the list


35 posted on 06/26/2004 8:21:12 AM PDT by milford421
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To: veronica

An excellent thread! I skimmed over it, and will read it in depth later.


36 posted on 06/26/2004 8:29:39 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: OpusatFR

I agree. No one can make a good argument for Islam being a true "religion of peace." It's a big lie that is being perpetuated by the media.


37 posted on 06/26/2004 8:33:02 AM PDT by Destructor
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BTTT...


38 posted on 06/26/2004 12:12:25 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks!


39 posted on 06/26/2004 5:14:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: milford421
You're most welcome. I don't have a list per se, I just gathered up the user names who'd already posted here, or were posted to, sorted 'em, and removed duplicates.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

40 posted on 06/26/2004 5:16:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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