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Marines Are from Mars...Iraqis are from Venus.
National Review Online ^ | June 24, 2004 | Myrna Blyth

Posted on 06/24/2004 9:02:59 AM PDT by xsysmgr

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1 posted on 06/24/2004 9:03:00 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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Owning up for poor performances or behavior would be a stupid thing to do if it reduces our chance of survival. If we can put off our mistakes on others, we'll do it not because we're lazy or incompetent but to avoid damaging our honor or possibly losing our job. Everything we do is designed to coax, cajole, trick or steer you into doing what we want you to do.

Wow... this sounds like the definition of a modern-day Democrat.

2 posted on 06/24/2004 9:08:26 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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Major Ben understands Asia and Asians. That is an excellent way to put it.


3 posted on 06/24/2004 9:11:14 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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In his description of the Iraqis, he has described children.

Children who do not evolve or mature, whose development is arrested, become spoiled and unreasonable adults, like this.

It is a culture which was arrested.


4 posted on 06/24/2004 9:12:00 AM PDT by SMARTY
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The description also reminds me of that class of people common to welfare who do not, have never, disciplined themselves and who make NO demands upon themselves, whatsoever. These people require and also resent the kind of paternalistic government which will provide for their every want and which will place no restrictions or demands upon the recipients' continuation it his state.


5 posted on 06/24/2004 9:19:36 AM PDT by SMARTY
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The Japanese had a similar system of Honor.
We had to break them completely before they could grow up into a modern people.

We would be doing the Iraqi People, and ourselves, a favor if we crushed them ruthlessly before attempting rebuilding.

So9

6 posted on 06/24/2004 9:20:01 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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Their culture is dominated by the Islamic worldview. Whereas (most) Americans have/had a Christian worldview. An American Christian man honors God with his actions and obeying God's commandmants which includes respect for life, his wife, his neighbor's property. Islamics gain "honor" by any means necessary, murdering wives and children, mutilation, stealing, etc. There is a huge difference between the Christian God and Islam's God.
7 posted on 06/24/2004 9:23:13 AM PDT by PLOM...NOT!
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Marines Are from Mars...Iraqis are from Venus.

And liberals are from URANUS.


This liberal is most definitely from URANUS!

8 posted on 06/24/2004 9:33:39 AM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, and Gullible's Troubles, too!)
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"We may take your hand — or we may bite your hand.... And if you expect too much from us, you will be disappointed."

The man who wrote the children's book, "The Little Prince"*, also wrote books about his time with the Arabs in the 1920's and '30's. If I was a commander and knew my unit was going to The Middle Eastern Theater, I would have company commanders, platoon leaders and platoon sergeants read two books by the same author: " Wind, Sand and Stars" and "Wisdom of the Sands". They are excellent studies on Arab culture and the Arab mentality. These two books reinforce the observations of Major Ben Connable, First Marine Division. Prior knowledge and understanding of Arab duplicity would have saved lives on both sides.

*Antoine De Saint Exupery. Pilot, philosopher. He Flew P-38's for the free French in WWII. Went MIA in 1944. Never found.

9 posted on 06/24/2004 9:38:02 AM PDT by elbucko
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"The description also reminds me of that class of people common to welfare..."

It does, doesn't it. One of the dirty little secrets about welfare that the Left refuses to understand.

10 posted on 06/24/2004 9:41:48 AM PDT by elbucko
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Maybe that's how it will all shake out. One more welfare state.


11 posted on 06/24/2004 9:44:48 AM PDT by SMARTY
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"One more welfare state."

I hope not. We support too many nations as it is.

12 posted on 06/24/2004 9:46:40 AM PDT by elbucko
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True. And this is not to mention that state within a state that we support right here at home and who, by the way, sympathize totally with the Iraqis. Huh...funny about that.
13 posted on 06/24/2004 9:49:28 AM PDT by SMARTY
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In his description of the Iraqis, he has described children.

That may be a good description for a great number of "primitive" cultures.

A great book about 1870's Arizona by the wife of a cavalry officer described the Apaches she was living with as "natures children". They had simply not yet learned the lesson's previously learned by Christian European culture.

Lewis & Clark's description of their interaction with Sioux leaders reminds me of an adolescent gang. Any one of the "leaders" was likely to do anything. There was no law, there was no sense of right and wrong. If something was acquired by thievery or violence, there was no dishonor in that.

Modern historians trash the United States with regard to how we treated the American Indians. I submit that we did the best we could with a culture that was not unlike the Intifada culture of the Palestinians. It is impossible to live with them as equals, because they will simply kill you on a whim. Their culture must be destroyed and the remnants assimilated into proper civilization. Sad, but necessary.

Modern tools of war are simply incompatible with primitive cultures. Those cultures will take those war tools and use them indiscriminately. Since the tools cannot be un-invented, the primitive culture must be.

14 posted on 06/24/2004 9:55:44 AM PDT by narby (Democrat = Internationalist ... Republican = American)
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*Antoine De Saint Exupery. Pilot, philosopher. He Flew P-38's for the free French in WWII. Went MIA in 1944. Never found.

I believe I read something about that a few years ago. I'm thinking they found his P-38 in a harbor.

15 posted on 06/24/2004 9:57:44 AM PDT by narby (Democrat = Internationalist ... Republican = American)
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It IS scary that we can look at really backward, impoverished, underdeveloped and hostile countries where 12 year old boys walk around with the most advanced weapons in their hands, and dysfunctional, disaffected terrorists can access sophisticated ballistics. There has been a real cultural, economic, political disconnect when this takes place. At the same time of course liberals here would have hand guns, that any child in any other country can possess and use at will, made illegal. Huh...
16 posted on 06/24/2004 10:07:43 AM PDT by SMARTY
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Everything we do is designed to coax, cajole, trick or steer you into doing what we want you to do.

My uncle was all over the ME when I was a kid. He'd come back home and say things. One was "the Arab idea of truth is whatever they can get you to believe. And that has nothing to do with the actual truth".

The Arab idea of truth is not like "ours".

My uncle also said "we would regret ever doing business with the Arabs". And, that "most Arab men are queers".

That was my uncle. A mans man.

17 posted on 06/24/2004 10:13:40 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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This needs to be repeated...

"Despite the fact we were losing on the field, Fallujah was a victory because you did not finish the attack...."

18 posted on 06/24/2004 10:17:38 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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I'm thinking they found his P-38 in a harbor.

Yes, there was some P-38 wreckage found in a harbor in the Mediterranean, just off the the city of Marseilles coast. The find is suggestive, but not definitive. There are no numbers on any part of the wreckage found to confirm that it is "St. Ex's" plane. BTW, he was the oldest fighter pilot of the war. He was 40 years old when he disappeared while flying un-armed, photo-recon, PR-38's across Europe from No. Africa and back. His writings have had a profound influence on my life. I put "St. Ex" right up there with T. Jefferson.

19 posted on 06/24/2004 10:23:31 AM PDT by elbucko
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He was 40 years old when he disappeared while flying un-armed, photo-recon, PR-38's

Charles Lindbergh was about 42 when he was flying P-38's and Corsairs in the South Pacific (born 1902). Of course, he wasn't "official" since he wasn't in the military. But he was under fire, his last P-38 flight was attacked by a japanese plane.

In typical Lindbergh fassion, after being refused permission to fly Army P-38's after the near shoot down, he went to the Marines and started flying Corsairs. He discovered they were flying bombing runs with only 500lb bombs, but he believed they could carry more. So he did test flights in the field where he gradually increased the bomb load. When they loaded the 2000 pounders, it bent the bomb rack on takeoff. So he designed a method to strengthen the rack, and began flying actual bombing runs with something like 3x-4x the original bomb weight carried by the Corsair.

Lindbergh wasn't a philosopher, but an interesting guy. Too bad FDR trashed his reputation for political purposes. The Dems have been doing that for decades.

20 posted on 06/24/2004 11:04:56 AM PDT by narby (Democrat = Internationalist ... Republican = American)
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