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Judaism's Thriving Concern
LA Times ^ | June 22, 2004 | William Lobdell

Posted on 06/22/2004 12:10:37 PM PDT by Alouette

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21 posted on 06/22/2004 12:54:08 PM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: Alouette

Denis Prager usually hosts the telethon.


22 posted on 06/22/2004 1:00:36 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Alouette

Odd timing, today’s the tenth Yahrtziet of the Rebbe's passing, though it's not mentioned in the article.


23 posted on 06/22/2004 1:01:32 PM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: livianne; Alouette
. I just couldn't get my head around viewing this Rabbi as the Messiah,

As far as I knew, most Lubavitchers do not think Rebbe Schneerson was the messiah.

24 posted on 06/22/2004 1:04:40 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Alouette

Your tagline is one of my Favs...and I don't even have children!


25 posted on 06/22/2004 1:04:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Alouette

Jon Voight is JEWISH????


26 posted on 06/22/2004 1:06:36 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Alouette

Never mind . . . I read the full article at the link provided later in the thread.


27 posted on 06/22/2004 1:09:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Kisei' vaMizbeach! (BiYrushalayim HaBenuyah!!))
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To: Ann Archy; Zionist Conspirator
Jon Voight is JEWISH????

No, he is a "Noachide" a non-Jew who accepts the Covenant G-D made with Noah after the flood. ZC can explain this.

28 posted on 06/22/2004 1:14:50 PM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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To: Alouette
Jon Voight is JEWISH????

No, he is a "Noachide" a non-Jew who accepts the Covenant G-D made with Noah after the flood. ZC can explain this.

Wow. I haven't heard anything about this. Noachism simply doesn't seem to make noise. We aren't on anyone's radar screen. Maybe things will change now.

29 posted on 06/22/2004 1:17:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Kisei' vaMizbeach! (BiYrushalayim HaBenuyah!!))
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To: Bella_Bru

Pasadena Chabad makes some awesome latkes.


30 posted on 06/22/2004 1:20:44 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Alouette

I have friends who dropped out of temple due to increased costs; I know so little of organized religion I generally ignore it.


31 posted on 06/22/2004 1:28:29 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Bella_Bru
As far as I knew, most Lubavitchers do not think Rebbe Schneerson was the messiah.

this is what i have heard is said, but every site I can find regarding Chabad has numerous references to the Rebbe, so even if they are not considering him the Messiah they are still very much concentrated on him. Is that bad? I dunno - but it's something that I have a hard time with personally.

32 posted on 06/22/2004 1:28:44 PM PDT by livianne
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To: livianne; thoughtomator
i'm suspicious of any group in which there is no self-doubt. it's only through self-doubt that we find ways to improve ourselves.

I think you misunderstand what the poster said about "self-doubt."

"Hillel said: Do not separate yourself from the community; do not be sure of yourself until the day you die; do not condemn your neighbor until you have stood in his place; do not make a statement which is not readily understood thinking that it will eventually be understood." [Pirke Avot 2:4]

Of course Chabad is about self-improvement and always striving to better oneself. No one is perfect. I know I certainly am not.

I think what the poster meant (correct me if I'm wrong) is that we are more confident in our belief that G-D exists and what our mission is on earth.

33 posted on 06/22/2004 1:30:45 PM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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To: Alouette

You got it. Of course to have no self-doubt whatsoever would be non-Jewish in nature; we must necessarily doubt and ask questions in order to make our faith all the stronger. However, the kind of left-wing self-hating doubt that is all too common, and the doubt that stems from trying to be secular and devout simultaneously, is not present with the Lubavitchers, in my admittedly limited knowledge of the group.


34 posted on 06/22/2004 1:35:16 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The New York Times: All the Lies that Fit the Socialist Agenda)
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To: Alouette
Of course Chabad is about self-improvement and always striving to better oneself. No one is perfect. I know I certainly am not. I think what the poster meant (correct me if I'm wrong) is that we are more confident in our belief that G-D exists and what our mission is on earth.

Ok, I'm good with that. In fact, I wish I had something near that level of surety, which is what got me looking at Chabad in the first place.

honestly, i'm pretty much utterly confused about my Judaism right now, so I haven't got any opinions that I'm 100% attached to, except that I have to figure it out before I have kids, or how can I raise them Jewish?

On the other hand, when one is looking so hard for something, how does one distinguish between what is right and what presents itself as right?

35 posted on 06/22/2004 1:39:46 PM PDT by livianne
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To: thoughtomator

May I ask how you classify yourself within Judaism, and do you have that self doubt you talk about? If you don't want to answer that's fine, I don't intend to pry. This thread is touching on things that have been primary in my thoughts lately, so I'm very curious where we all are coming from.


36 posted on 06/22/2004 1:42:02 PM PDT by livianne
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To: livianne
but every site I can find regarding Chabad has numerous references to the Rebbe, so even if they are not considering him the Messiah they are still very much concentrated on him. Is that bad?

Rebbe Schneerson helped many people and really was the driving force behind so much of Chabad's outreach programs. I don't think it's bad to admire him.

However, on the last telethon, at they end, some people were dancing with a huge portrait of him.

37 posted on 06/22/2004 1:47:24 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: StoneColdGOP

Yeah they do!!!


38 posted on 06/22/2004 1:54:37 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: livianne

I'm a Conservative Jew, and yes I have that self-doubt/cognitive dissonance of trying to be Jewish in a secular world.


39 posted on 06/22/2004 2:04:08 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The New York Times: All the Lies that Fit the Socialist Agenda)
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To: Bella_Bru
some people were dancing with a huge portrait of him.

And why would that be any different from some people dancing with a huge portrait of Ronald Reagan at the Republican National Convention?

40 posted on 06/22/2004 2:09:30 PM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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