Posted on 06/19/2004 6:40:18 AM PDT by bayourod
[RBG] Precisely the relationship between slaveowner and slave. I stand by what I said.
What you said was, "So was Genocide [legal] in Nazi Germany."
In the USA slavery was legal per the written law of the Constitution. It did not require the word of a dictator to be put above all written law. Thus, your comparison is poorly taken.
A more fitting comparison to the Holocaust might be the USA genocide against the Indians.
Sherman, as commander over the forces against the Indians, after the Civil War, sent a letter to President Grant: "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women, and children. Nothing else will reach the root of this case." Sherman was to call the massacre of all American Indians his "final solution to the Indian problem," a phrase the Nazis were to use for the Holocaust. Just before Sherman died in 1891 he complained bitterly about civilian interference in his Indian policies, which had prevented him from getting "rid of them all."
When in the Course of Human Events, 2000, Charles Adams, p. 116
Study the flag of the ships involved and the states where they were registered, and your point loses its intent.
The major slave-trading states were in the North-East.
St. Patrick wasn't even Irish.
Cinco de Mayo isn't even an important holiday in Mexico. It clearly is NOT Mexican independence day.
So equating anything to these two so called holidays is picking a very weak comparison.
Presidential Message: Juneteenth, 2004
June 18, 2004
Juneteenth, 2004
I send greetings to those celebrating Juneteenth.
On June 19, 1865, Major General Gordon Granger and his Union troops arrived in Galveston, Texas, bringing word of the Emancipation Proclamation which had been issued more than 2 years earlier. On hearing the news that "all persons held as slaves" in the rebellious States were "thenceforward, and forever free," former slaves celebrated their new freedom.
Today, African Americans in Texas and other parts of the country observe June 19, also known as Juneteenth, with cookouts, family gatherings, parades, and other community events. Juneteenth celebrates the truth that freedom is God's gift to every man and woman. This day also recognizes the progress America has made in ensuring that our Nation lives up to our founding principles of liberty, equality, and justice, and represents an occasion to reaffirm our commitment to these principles.
Laura joins me in sending our best wishes.
GEORGE W. BUSH
Do most Afro-Americans celebrate it?
Thank you, "professor". When you go outside Afro-centric "sources" to a fairly independent study, like the BBC, you see the survival rate was about 90% (quite a bit better than the concentration-camp survival rate). Those slaves who went into the Carribean plantations didn't survive very well, but those who arrived in the Colonies had a much better survival rate, judging by the population increase over the years (recall that the US banned importation of new slaves in 1808).
In 1860, if you measured the life expectency and general health of a slave in the US versus somebody in West Africa, the US slave would win. Keep in mind that the Africans still in Africa were being killed in inter-tribal wars, and being attacked by Muslim slave traders.
If we want to compare treatment of black slaves by US slave owners with Muslim slave traders, the US wins. The survival rate of slaves transported across the Sahara was low. Given that the Muslims preferred eunuch slaves, castration was performed before the journey, with the survivors of the castration process (high mortality rate, you know? no antibiotics or modern surgical techniques) being sent across the Sahara. Others might keep their testicles, but those sent to the Saharan salt mines (see the link) hardly any lived more than 5 years
Long past the US ban of slave importation in 1808, the African slave trade continued to satisfy the Muslim market. As this reference points out:
PS: your request for tenure is deniedBritannia.com's historical survey of slavery points out that "The European colonization movement of the second half of the 19th century put an end to slavery in many parts of Africa..." and that "the British turned their attention back to Africa. They moved onto the continent, took control of those governments that were thriving on slavery, and attempted to abolish the institution." Further "in the 1870's British missionaries moved into Malawi, the place of origin of the Indian Ocean Islamic slave trade, in an attempt to interdict it at its source... In Dahomey the French abolition of slavery resulted in the cessation of ceremonial human sacrifice."
Unfortunately this was not enough for "some parts of Africa and much of the Islamic world retained slavery at the end of World War I. For this reason the League of Nations and later the United Nations took the final extinction of slavery to be one of their obligations. The League had considerable success in Africa, with the assistance of the colonial powers and by the late 1930's slavery was abolished in Liberia and Ethiopia". The problem was such that "After World War II the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights ... proclaimed the immorality and the illegality of slavery. Slavery was abolished in most Islamic countries, although it persisted in Saudi Arabia into the 1960's. It finally was made illegal in the Arabian Peninsula in 1962."
So what? The vast majority of slave owners (and TRAITORS) lived in the South. We didn't have to send Federal troops Connecticut to smash its anti-constitutionalist conspiracy.
I'm not the one trying to give the corpse of Jefferson Davis a political Full Monica, you are.
You mean they were too drunk to fish?
However, I do take offense at people's ignorance of what the War Between the States was all about, or the absurd suggestion that only African-Americans have ever been held in slavery, and are owed reparations.
You are an idiot. General Robert E. Lee fought the Union to protect the rights of his home state, against a tyrannical government at that time. The Federal government usurped the power guaranteed in the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and blockaded the shipping lanes of the Southern States, causing starvation and hardship on its own citizens. You know, many white people suffered in that war fighting for their rights, and many blacks fought for the South. It was over 140 years ago. We are all free now, so get over it.
Your silence hereafter is expected."
Fool. Is that why Nazi war criminals were tried and convicted in a worldwide forum? You are an obvious rewriter of history. Go back to school.
General Robert E. Lee fought the Union to protect the rights of his home state, against a tyrannical government at that time. >>>
He was a catamite to the slave interests who foisted himself off as a "Christian gentleman." No man was ever less justly unhanged.
We are all free now, so get over it.
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Had Bobby Lee succeeded, 10% OF US would not be. And this conversation would be in German.
Dems are organizing...
"Well, if that's true, then since I started this thread and I don't speak German, this conversation wouldn't be taking place.
you sir, are no southern gentleman and know not of what you speak.
Robert E. Lee was a great patriot and did not want to serve, but he was called upon and he gave his best.
I have heard your i.d. bandied around as being a kneepad wearing raghead homosexual that really hates this country anyway.
Well that's the best this Texan could do. We don't hear much about Jewish, Polish, Russian, Chinese, Canadian etc.. holidays. Mostly there are only three type Texans; those who eat tacos, those who eat chicken, and those who eat roast beef.
You are an uneducated person. You are not worth any further response.
Well, I trust the local Reoublican candidates were on hand to congratulate them.
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