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The Real Inquisition: Investigating the popular myth.
National Review Online ^
| June 18, 2004
| Thomas F. Madden
Posted on 06/18/2004 9:55:45 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: SoothingDave
"Murder" is a legal term. Words mean things. No, Murder is an act - period. As in Ten commandments "Thou shalt not murder" .. lest we forget that is the commandment.
Is it your position that no one who was ever executed after conviction by the Inquisition was a threat to society?
You're equivocating. Try again. Scripture is plain. Jesus said you've no right to stand in mortal judgement over the sin of another. Put down the sword, for he who takes it up shall die by it. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. The Adulterous woman's crime demanded the death penalty. It couldn't be any more clear cut, sir. No way, no how. There's no way out of it.
The charge of "murder" is a serious one, and you seem to not understand that.
It is a serious one and I'm full aware of the gravity of it. That's precisely why I use it. If you take a life wrongly, that is murder. When Jeus the Christ himself has told you that you have no right to stone the woman to death and you commence to stoning her, you have committed murder. See, your philosophy isn't just nullifying the word of God, it is rationalizing the right to commit murder. It's pretty plain. But, you can't see that.
LOL. You're into self-parodyland now.
No, not really; but, if you think you need to humor yourself while you ignore weighty arguments as though it's all just games, that's your problem.
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:00:41 PM PDT
by
Havoc
("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
To: SoothingDave; Havoc
If they are not sent by the proper authorities, then they are not "commanded" to preach.
Sez you. Jesus said differently.
Mark 9:
[38] John said to him, "Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us."
[39] But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me.
[40] For he that is not against us is for us.
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:05:10 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Havoc
You're equivocating. Try again. Scripture is plain. Jesus said you've no right to stand in mortal judgement over the sin of another. Put down the sword, for he who takes it up shall die by it. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. The Adulterous woman's crime demanded the death penalty. It couldn't be any more clear cut, sir. No way, no how. There's no way out of it. Are you a pacifist? An anarchist? Is the use of force always wrong? Should we not have laws to enforce?
SD
To: OLD REGGIE
By your standards there are hundreds of millions in the U.S. alone spreading error. Would you "exterminate" them all? Some of them? How many? The genie is out of the bottle. There is no putting it back. Pluralism and indifference are alive and well. There is no culture to protect here.
SD
To: OLD REGGIE
[39] But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. I think it's OK to have miracle workers work miracles.
In order to have authority to preach, one must either be ordained with this authority or one must have miracles to show.
SD
To: SoothingDave; Havoc
You are not the subject of this command. Typical Biblical illeteracy. Just cause you are reading it, doesn't mean you are the one being commanded here.
So you believe only 11 people in history are subject to this command?
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:14:54 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: SoothingDave; Taliesan
We have seperated church and state.
The RCC never in history has willingly seperated Church and State. Don't pretend this is a voluntary thing.
347
posted on
06/21/2004 1:19:51 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: SoothingDave
It is clear Jesus is talking here to His Apostles. He is telling them to go out to teach. Not any Joe Schmo that can pick up this book and read a sentence.
All your Priests, including the Pope, are Joe Schmo's?
348
posted on
06/21/2004 1:22:10 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
Don't be stupid. You know and I know what ordination and the passing on of Apostolic authority is about.
SD
To: SoothingDave
One more thing. The Mormons caved and joined the Union. What do you think might have happened had they refused?
For sure they would have been killed. ;-) Any more stupid questions?
BTW there is a so-called Capital Punishment bill in the works in Massachusetts. I have filed a motion to change the words "Capital Punishment" to "Exterminate". The convicted criminals would be "exterminated" to Pennsylvania. OK with you?
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:38:56 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: SoothingDave
We see from the idiots around here how many have bought the English RC propaganda completely.
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:40:09 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: SoothingDave
Are you a pacifist? An anarchist? Is the use of force always wrong? Should we not have laws to enforce? The secular world has it's ways, Christ has his. Christ has made his way plain to those that know him and a riddle to those who do not. Why all the questions. What does the Scripture say. That was Christ's retort. Are you following Christ or trying to justify another system and blame it on him.
352
posted on
06/21/2004 1:42:28 PM PDT
by
Havoc
("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
To: Havoc
Why all the questions. Cause your answers to them would reveal exactly how much you are just blowing smoke and how consistent you are. That's why I don't expect you to answer.
Are you a pacifist? An anarchist? Is the use of force always wrong?
SD
To: SoothingDave
In order to have authority to preach, one must either be ordained with this authority or one must have miracles to show.
Scripture?
It seems not too long ago you were insisting only 11 people in history were given the authority to preach.
354
posted on
06/21/2004 1:48:48 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
The Mormons caved and joined the Union. What do you think might have happened had they refused? For sure they would have been killed. ;-) Any more stupid questions?
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. I see you aren't serious about thinking about this issue. It must be cause you know that you have nothing to stand on here. That's OK, I'm used to you guys ignoring difficult questions and facts.
SD
To: OLD REGGIE
It seems not too long ago you were insisting only 11 people in history were given the authority to preach. You're not that stupid. The Apostles were given the authority. Period. They could pass it on and share it with whomever they decided to.
SD
To: SoothingDave
You know and I know what ordination and the passing on of Apostolic authority is about.
I know what the fiction of Apostolic authority is about. Do you?
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posted on
06/21/2004 1:51:49 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
I'm not the fiction police. ;-)
SD
To: SoothingDave
You're not that stupid. The Apostles were given the authority. Period. They could pass it on and share it with whomever they decided to.
Scripture?
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posted on
06/21/2004 2:06:21 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: SoothingDave
I'm not the fiction police. ;-)
It was a setup. I was trying to trap you so the fiction police could catch you.
360
posted on
06/21/2004 2:08:36 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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