PAT JOINS BUSH WHACKERS (Buchanan)

New York Post ^ | 6/17/04 | SARA NELSON

[Mo1]

JOINING the ranks of Bush-bashing books is one from a most unlikely source. The Thomas Dunne imprint of St. Martin's Press has agreed to pay around $500,000 to Pat Buchanan for an anti-Dubya book to be called "Where the Right Went Wrong."

An Unlikely source????

Where as this dude been ???

I can't remember a time where Pat was every on President Bush's side

[Dane]

Pathetic and childish attempt at humor. And very crude. I'm surprised Mr. Robinson doesn't crack down on some of the foul, obscene language in here.

Why don't you do something about it.

There is an abuse button on the bottom of each reply.

Please, just can the "victim" act that you are doing on this thread that would make jesse jackson blush, IMO.

[joesbucks]

I think where you're seeing the train wreck is that populism and the form of conservatism that Bush is performing aren't one in the same.

I've also found it odd that people are very sensitive to any criticism of the President. I was listening to a religous talk show on the radio yesterday. The caller wasn't pro Kerry but was critcal of the President on a number of issues. The host got very huffy and said seems your call is only to bash the President. The man responded that he was only commenting on the issues that many evangelical's hold dear and that Bush has not delivered. If one can't hold to their values and speak out on those values when they aren't delivered, then either clarification from the Presidents supporters should be given or there should be agreement. But to denigrate someone for "bashing" is not productive. Sort of a "I have no answer, but don't say anything negative" get's us nowhere.

I believe there are many things that he should be criticized on. I also believe that in some instances he has been sucessful. He will get my vote. Doesn't mean I'll be dancing in the street.

[zarf]

Since Mr. B blames Israel for much of the US's foreign policy ills- perhaps Mr. B should take the issue up with the United Nations which created the Jewish entity in the first place.

Perhaps he could suggest a more out of the way region of the world the Joo's could be shuffled away too.

Maybe the New Lil' Jew state could be surrounded by razor wire to keep the Joo's from contaminating the rest of the world?

Let's hear what Mr. B has to say.

[x]

This Post item with its unnamed source isn't the clearest or most reliable indication of what Buchanan's book will be, so people who want to make an accurate assessment will have to wait until the book or excerpts from it are published.

Buchanan tends to become the issue himself, rather than what he actually says. And there's some reason for that: some of his columns about WWII were scandalous. While some of the charges against Pat may be unsubstantiated or exaggerated, it's understandable that many wrote him off after reading his column on Hitler or on the concentration camp and carbon monoxide.

Buchanan does show a weakness for loony dissident theories about history. The number of Rockwellite cultists he has writing for his magazine is disquieting. More than any other commentator or politician he seems to have a good and a bad angel on his shoulder, and when the time comes to rise to the occasion, he often gives into temptation and sinks, as he did at the 1992 convention.

But Buchanan aside, isn't there much concern that the GOP has lost its way on some issues, like international trade and immigration? Or that they've embraced global markets to the detriment of what was once thought of as the national interest? Or that the Bush administration has moved away from more traditional conservative restraint in international affairs to embrace a far more ambitious world changing agenda?

Some conservatives of Buchanan's generation -- John McLaughlin and Robert Novak are the most prominent examples -- aren't so enthusiastic about current foreign policy, either. Those who lived through Europe's colonial wars, our Vietnam involvement, and all the ups and downs of the Cold War aren't always enthusiastic about our ability to stick to a radical nation-building project overseas for any length of time or about the gratitude foreigners will have for our efforts.

Pat Buchanan came out of a similar environment to William F. Buckley and shared many of the enthusiasms Buckley's National Review had in its early years: McCarthy, Franco, segregation, South Africa. Some or all of these have since been discredited -- admittedly with the benefit of hindsight.

Conservatives have moved on from where Pat and Bill were in the 1960s, but Pat has been more reluctant and tended to drag his feet. I guess the question is whether National Review's current enthusiasm with "nation building" and "go it alone" wars will stand up to the scrutiny of history, or whether it too will be shown to have been mistaken.

[Fedora]

THE MCLAUGHLIN GROUP

COMEDIAN DANA CARVEY (AS JOHN MCLAUGHLIN): What number am I thinking of? Pat Buchanan.

"MR. BUCHANAN" (PLAYED BY PHIL HARTMAN): Geez. Eighty-two.

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Wrong! Eleanor Clift.

"MS. CLIFT" (PLAYED BY JAN HOOKS): Is it between one and a hundred?

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Don't skirt the issue!

"MS. CLIFT": I -- 40.

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Wrong! Mortontine.

"MORT KONDRACKE" (PLAYED BY KEVIN NEALON): Two hundred twelve?

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Wrong! Jackerino?

"JACK GERMOND" (PLAYED BY JOHN GOODMAN): Two?

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Wrong! The correct answer is 134, 134.

Issue number six: What did you have for breakfast today? Eleanor?

"MS. CLIFT": Some cantaloupe.

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Mortontown, U.S.A.?

"MR. KONDRACKE": I had poached eggs and toast.

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Jack Germondo?

"MR. GERMOND": Bacon and eggs.

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Paddy Paddy Buke-Buke?

"MR. BUCHANAN": I'm thinking waffles, maybe a little --

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN": Wrong!! You all had Special K with banana.

[duckln]

I read your 'Diesel' link. Speculating on exactly how people were killed and exactly how many, does not make one a denier.

Like a good reporter, Pat dug into it and presented the facts and his conclusions. His conclusion was that there was a Holocaust but also that there was some falsification of facts and documents. And the Israel court agreed.

Sad but there aren't many good reporters around like Pat. Again, if Pat had not run against W he'd be at the top of the heap, and we would never have heard of the anti semitism or isolationism nonsense.

[rmlew]

So Jews are Catholic bashers?
I've defended Pat. I've debated for Pat. I voted for Pat. However, the guy flirts with anti-Semetism quite often.
His defense of Ivan Demjanjuk (who, while not Ivan the Terrible, was a guard.) included a clame that diesel was not used to kill Jews.

[MindFire]

The post I was responding to is not 'right' at all. here are the words:

"when he started hanging out with that Marxist running mate of his on the Reform Party ticket in 2000"

Did you miss that? okay, here it is again.

that Marxist running mate of his on the Reform Party ticket in 2000

ooops? what was that again?
" that Marxist running mate of his on the Reform Party ticket in 2000
that Marxist running mate of his
Marxist running mate of his
Marxist running mate
Marxist running mate

HELLO! His running mate was Ezola Foster. Anyone who calls Ezola Foster a marxist is either severely misinformed/ignorant about politics or is purposely spreading lies.

If you can't tell the difference between two women simply beause they are both black, you need help. the running mate, Foster, is not the same person in the picture you posted above.

For the record i am not familiar with Lenora Fulani and I didn't even vote for Buchanan- so i have no interest in defending either of them; but i do know what Ezola stands for and it is in no way 'marxist'.

But i will research fulani and i will get an answer as to why Buchanan associated with her. It is indeed a very valid question.

I did find this from a google search- this is apparently a snippet from a liberal writer who is criticizing fulani for supporting Pat.

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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/236.html
"The Strange Career of Dr. Lenora Fulani
Dr. Lenora Fulani, former presidential candidate of the now defunct New Alliance Party, and "critic" of the two party monopoly on politics in this country, recently stunned many observers by endorsing Pat Buchanan's campaign to become the Reform Party's candidate for President in the 2000 election. In rationalizing her decision to endorse one of the most rabid, racist, sexist, homophobic, right wing political figures on the political scene today, Dr. Fulani suggested that Buchanan's candidacy would be good for "independent" politics and the political fortunes of Black people. Indeed, Dr. Fulani promised to bring Pat Buchanan to the heart of Harlem, the Capital of Black America, to dine at Sylvia's restaurant and speak at the House of Justice, the headquarter of the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network. How could Dr. Fulani who claims to be a Marxist and a champion of Black causes endorse an arch adversary of Black people? From my vantage point no one should be surprised that Dr. Fulani could commit such a deplorable act. For some time, at the direction of her mentor and master Dr. Fred Newman, it appears that Dr. Fulani's services as a political operative have been for sale to the highest bidder."

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Anyway... aside from all that, if you people who are villifying Buchanan as a 'Nazi', (fascinating that while referring to Buchanan, many posters on FreeRepublic mirror & parrot the hysterical rhetoric of those of Democratic underground,) .. If you DU clones are so concerned with 'nazi ties', i suggest you google someone named "Prescott" and "trading with the enemies act." You might just learn something. But i'm sure you will find it irrelevant.

also fascinating that so-called 'conservatives' at this site don't realize that nazis are, in ideology, more like socialist democrats than constitutional conservatives. But that's just another product of public school education. The libs have called Buchanan a "Nazi" for years, so i guess you just jumped on that bandwagon because you heard it on the radio. (?) Also ironic is the fact that all the people here who bash buchanan for being a 'nazi' are probably the exact same ones who voted for abortionist, sodomite-loving, gun control proponant, open border 'Arnie'. LOL. Is this the twilight zone? I need to go wash my hands, i feel dirty just reading all this c*ap! :-\

[MindFire]

you said:

"The caller wasn't pro Kerry but was critcal of the President on a number of issues. The host got very huffy and said seems your call is only to bash the President. The man responded that he was only commenting on the issues that many evangelical's hold dear and that Bush has not delivered. If one can't hold to their values and speak out on those values when they aren't delivered, then either clarification from the Presidents supporters should be given or there should be agreement. But to denigrate someone for "bashing" is not productive. Sort of a "I have no answer, but don't say anything negative" get's us nowhere.

Was that host Frank Pastore, by any chance??

I agree with you, and i find it bizzare that people are so 'sensitive' to ANY criticism of the president! I always refer to it as mesmerized. It is as if they are a 7th grade girl who is so blindly smitten with a boy that their passionare crush has them blind to any discussion of the facts whatsoever, LOL.

People are just too much. They can never defend the Bush record and how he has betrayed and abandoned conservatism in many ways, so the 7th grade girl kicks in: "DON'T YOU SPEAK BADLY ABOUT MY BOYFRIEND! HOW DARE YOU!!", they emotionally screech.

"Okay honey. calm down. it's okay!" ;-D

[SJackson]

Hello, long post.

For the record i am not familiar with Lenora Fulani and I didn't even vote for Buchanan- so i have no interest in defending either of them; but i do know what Ezola stands for and it is in no way 'marxist'.

I never said a word about Ezola. Lenora Fulani is a marxist with an aversion to Jews, and was Pat's co campaign chair (till she quit).

If you can't tell the difference between two women simply beause they are both black, you need help. the running mate, Foster, is not the same person in the picture you posted above.

It would appear you're the one who needs to review the thread, I never said Ezola Foster was Pat's running mate. I responded to a poster who posted Leona's pic (I even reproduced the post) with the comment Here's the happy coupla Nazi-sympathizers. I'd probably describe Leona as a marxist-racist, but the connection to Pat is perfectly valid. If you like Pat's cultural views, you better learn a bit about Leona, David Duke and Islamists too, because they all contribute to Pat's world view.

If you DU clones are so concerned with 'nazi ties', i suggest you google someone named "Prescott" and "trading with the enemies act." You might just learn something. But i'm sure you will find it irrelevant.

I'm familiar with Prescott. It's one of the rare occasions I'll go along with the ADL, slandering GWB with Prescott-Nazi accusations is a characteristic of the white supremacist community, though I'm glad to add DU to the list of sympathizers.

Also ironic is the fact that all the people here who bash buchanan for being a 'nazi' are probably the exact same ones who voted for abortionist, sodomite-loving, gun control proponent, open border 'Arnie'. LOL. Is this the twilight zone? I need to go wash my hands, i feel dirty just reading all this c*ap! :-\

I voted for Arnie 17 times, it was worth the price of an airplane ticket.

For a washed up politico, Pat sure gets under the skin of his brigadiers. Here, have some soap.

[SJackson]

I read your 'Diesel' link. Speculating on exactly how people were killed and exactly how many, does not make one a denier....Like a good reporter, Pat dug into it and presented the facts and his conclusions

No he didn't. Pat claims someone "sent" him the diesel info. Skeptics assume he read Friedrich P. Berg's article the Institute for Historical Review's Journal (you're not going to claim they're not Holocaust Deniers are you). Who know, maybe an IHR subscriber sent it to him. Anyway, it was a good column, the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight picked it up, print journal btw, not free or unknowing use.

Doesn't much matter, all those Holocaust survivors are mentally ill anyway.

[MindFire]

the original poster said "that Marxist running mate of his on the Reform Party ticket in 2000".

That is what I replied to; I corrected that poster, and then you came back and told me that poster was RIGHT. the poster was incorrect.

Did you really vote for Arnie? How could you do that? do you support abortionists, gun control, papa govt, cloning, homo unions, and all that other degenerate trash that arnie stands for? do you think abortion and stem cell research etc. is a good thing? Again, it is a matter of principles over being mesmerized by men. it is very troubling and disturbing that people using the phony label of 'conservative' would vote for such a man. I am not trying to be inflmatory but i think it's necessary to remind people of what this guy really stands for.. then i challenge them to defend it. I believe people need to awaken their consciences and really deeply think about these issues. i believe we will be held accountable before God for all the choices we make and for the men we support. Do you think God wants us to support abortionists and homosexual unions?

[Robert_Paulson2]

little corporal... is correct.

anybody who admired the little corporal I CONSIDER an antisemite as that was the central theme of hitler's life and tyranny.

some folks don't think calling him "heroic" constitutes admiration. . . probably the same folks who think nailbombers in tel aviv are actually "freedom fighters" to be admired for their courage in the face of certain death.. as long as jews are killed, and such...

anyone who sees jew killers as heroic, to be admired in any way... is a jew killer to me.
and if they see hiter as heroic... it makes them a NAZI in my book.

Pat abandoned the only party with a pro life plank in it's platform to run in the party controlled by fulani the communist... and she WAS to be his veep, until the uproar grew so loud he made a change.

Pat is no conservative in my book.
He is no lover of Israel.

That makes him pretty much... my enemy politically, and certainly NOT a republican.

[SJackson]

Did you really vote for Arnie?

No, I live in Illinois.

[AmericanMade1776]

Pat Buchanan worked for CNN in it's heyday as the "liberal voice". Now that's just plain non sense

I did not mean Pat Buchanan was the liberal Voice..I meant CNN was at it's heyday for being liberally bias. Pat Buchanan talked the conservative game, on a bias liberal CNN platform.

[AmericanMade1776]

"Your right. Buchanan has exposed himself as some kiind of bizzare populist anti-Semite who has tenuous connectionms with mainstream conservatism. I doubt if anyone will take him or his book seriously"

I am just thankful Pat Buchanan does not belong to the same poltical party I belong to, was very thankful when Buchanan, the crack pot left the Republican Party.

[joesbucks]

No this is Bob Burney who is heard I believe in Columbus (for sure), Cincinnati and Cleveland, Ohio.