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Abiotic Theory of Oil Formation
The Environmental Literacy Council ^

Posted on 06/09/2004 9:15:38 PM PDT by narses

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To: FrankR
I mean, there would have had to have been and awful lot of dinosaurs to decay into the amount of oil that we know exists,

There were alot of dinosaurs, and the plants the herbevoires amoung them ate. However the other factor is that they, the dinosaurs and the plants, were around for a long, long time.

41 posted on 06/10/2004 11:39:11 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Dog Gone
However, anyone who wants to purchase a well that we're about to plug is welcome to freepmail me. The buyer can then watch and wait for the well to magically refill.

I think you are speaking to a strawman version of the theory. The theory is that if the oil is formed much deeper in the crust than we currently think, the oil fields we access today are the result of "leaks" from that larger resevoir. Leaks which could only take place under certain conditions. Some fields would be replenished, but most would not, having been "cut off" from their original source by geologic activty. There is also the issue of the speed of "refill" of those fields that do still have some commnection to the deeper resevoir.

I'm not saying Gold is correct, just that his theories may be being misrepresented and/or oversimplified.

42 posted on 06/10/2004 11:54:03 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
The truth of the matter is that oil varies in its chemical composition dramatically from field to field, and even within various reservoir formations which are stacked upon each other and separated by a few hundred or few thousand feet.

There is no communication between the stacked reservoirs and no reason whatsoever to think that the oil in these reservoirs originated from a common source of supply. Almost always we can identify the probable source rock for each reservoir, being an underlying shale. But that shale has given up all the oil it could and it migrated upward from the shale to the highest sealing trap the oil could find.

43 posted on 06/11/2004 12:41:39 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: narses

Fossil Fuels Made without Fossils
Similar reactions deep in the Earth may
churn out hydrocarbons from inorganic matter
By Gabe Romain
http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-09-13-3


44 posted on 11/30/2004 10:12:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Yes, but it does provide an explanation as to why played out oil well suddenly become productive again.


45 posted on 11/30/2004 10:25:35 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Yes, but it does provide an explanation as to why played out oil well suddenly become productive again.

So do conventional theories.

46 posted on 11/30/2004 6:53:04 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
What then, does explain the prescence of sulfur?
47 posted on 11/30/2004 7:10:06 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Discovery of abundant, accessible hydrocarbons nearly everywhere in the solar system

Address:http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=245547

Abstract analysis of the data gathered during the Comet Halley encounter during 1987 resulted in a body of literature asserting that all comets contain substantial percentages of hydrocarbon solids. These solids appear to have a strong similarity to petrochemicals. Arguments are made that the amount of hydrocarbon material in the accessible comets of the inner Solar system can substantially exceed the known reserves of hydrocarbons on Earth.


48 posted on 11/30/2004 7:40:57 PM PST by PRUE (Prudence indeed dictates that governments should be changed when its time. We're long overdue.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

This theory gets posted here every couple of months. It doesn't get less stupid.


49 posted on 11/30/2004 7:43:55 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Old Professer

Supposedly, sulfur (and nitrogen) come from proteins.


50 posted on 11/30/2004 7:53:52 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dog Gone

How do oil experts explain that hydrocarbons are common everywhere in the solar system?


51 posted on 11/30/2004 7:54:13 PM PST by PRUE (Prudence indeed dictates that governments should be changed when its time. We're long overdue.)
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To: PRUE
Hydrocarbons, yes, but oil, no. Methane is a common gas. Cow farts and volcanos both produce it.

It's entirely possible that much of a natural gas was produced from non-organic sources deep within the earth. Oil is different altogether.

52 posted on 11/30/2004 7:59:16 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: FrankR

"Of course, I often wonder where all my extra coat hangers come from too...I think socks are the embryonic form of a coat hanger, 'cause everytime I lose a sock in the dryer, I find more coat hangers around. Hummmmmm"

Obviously we need an abiotic theory of coathanger formation. Time to call the Russians.


53 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:24 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dog Gone

We now know that carbon, the fourth most abundant element in the Universe after hydrogen, helium and oxygen, is almost certainly also the fourth most abundant in the planetary system; where it is predominantly in the form of hydrocarbons.
The major planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, have large amounts of methane and other hydrocarbon gases in their atmospheres.
Titan, a large satellite of Saturn, has methane and ethane in its atmosphere, and these gases form clouds and behave much like water does in the atmosphere of the Earth. Triton, a large satellite of Neptune, appears to have hydrocarbons mixed with water ices on its surface, as does the outermost planet known at this time, Pluto.
A large fraction of all the asteroids show a surface reflectance closely resembling that of tar, and the comets have hydrocarbons among the gases they emit.
The surface of the core of Comet Halley, recently observed by spacecraft, is most reasonably interpreted as one of tar.

Complex, polycyclic hydrocarbon molecules, similar to those in natural petroleum have been observed to be a prominent component of interplanetary dust grains that currently enter the Earth's upper atmosphere.


54 posted on 11/30/2004 8:12:31 PM PST by PRUE (Prudence indeed dictates that governments should be changed when its time. We're long overdue.)
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To: FrankR
Of course, I often wonder where all my extra coat hangers come from too...I think socks are the embryonic form of a coat hanger, 'cause everytime I lose a sock in the dryer, I find more coat hangers around. Hummmmmm

Nope. Paper clips are embryonic coat hangers

55 posted on 11/30/2004 8:15:46 PM PST by null and void (They killed three thousand Americans and now they're going to die.)
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To: Dog Gone

While I don't actually have a dog in this fight, since I'm perfectly willing to believe the biological origin of oil...

Still... I do wonder why, if this is a continual process of compressing biomass into oil... where is the halfway made oil?


56 posted on 11/30/2004 8:17:26 PM PST by Ramius (Dah dah dit dit dah dah?)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I wonder why the dryer always gets blamed. How do we know it's not the washer or the hamper?

I'm more inclined to believe it's a conspiracy between the hamper and the washer to make the dryer look bad.

57 posted on 11/30/2004 8:18:47 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: skepsel

Or all the sea with oysters by Avram Davidson


58 posted on 11/30/2004 8:20:02 PM PST by null and void (They killed three thousand Americans and now they're going to die.)
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To: Ramius
While I don't actually have a dog in this fight, since I'm perfectly willing to believe the biological origin of oil...

What is served by 'fighting' about how oil is formed? Why not use all available ideas to find more? Could it be that some men believe that oil should be scarce & expensive? Hmmmmmm.

Still... I do wonder why, if this is a continual process of compressing biomass into oil... where is the halfway made oil?

According to Gold, its way down deep, in the "hot biosphere". -- A blasphemous idea, apparently.

59 posted on 11/30/2004 8:30:14 PM PST by PRUE (Prudence indeed dictates that governments should be changed when its time. We're long overdue.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Correct. Nor does the abiogenic theory explain why most oil provinces are associated with marine sediments and organic source rocks.


60 posted on 11/30/2004 8:38:05 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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