Posted on 06/08/2004 12:34:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Thanks for posting this. To me, it looks like the e-mail upon which the original post was based is extremely misleading. A lot more than "so help us God" was left out of the speech, which doesn't end with that phrase anyway. It will be interesting to see how many Freepers actually pay attention to this, or blindly continue to use the original post as an excuse to bash the monument makers for being PC. I have a feeling we will be seeing this same e-mail pop up on FreeRepublic for years to come.
The "Greatest" generation did, in fact, saddle us with Social Insecurity, one of the greatest and longest-running Ponzi schemes in history; medicare, one of the biggest boondoggles of modern times; and now this prescription drug scam. It IS sheer selfishness for them to demand that WE pay THEIR retirements AND their medical bills. Askel5 is far more right than wrong. There are MANY older folks who are outstanding people... however there are way too many who want their children and grandchildren and OTHER FOLKS' children and grandchildren paying their bills and have gotten the political whores in DC (NOT excepting POTUS) to do their bidding. Yours is the ignorance in this case.
Who're you callin' a "sucker", ma'am?!
I've seen Askel5 around before. It is a disruptor who likes to bash my parents generation for exercising their franchise in larger numbers than any other bloc. It seems to think they owe it something. I wish it would get zotted.
These people should not be afraid to include references to God. Whether we become a totally secular state or not, these references are still part of our heritage...
Some of them are still in their seventies, I believe. I heard that one vet went to war in 1943 (IIRC) as an eighteen or nineteen year old.
Yes pretty disrespectfull to the living and the fallen...who believed very much in fighting for their nation...One Nation Under God...
In fact if they had to listen to what the atheists and ACLU have done to the nation so far
or witnessed what they are continually trying to do....
Those who fell and those who survived to raise familes in the nation they fought to perserve
would be very upset indeed...
To leave God out of such a ceremony is blasphemy...and dishonors the dead and those they left behind...
imo
To leave God out of the ceremony only honors the ACLU
They and all their marxist kith and kin had to smile at the God of our founding father's (and my father-combat vet two wars) being slighted..
=== You obviously know nothing about that generation. You should remain silent rather than spew ignorance.
Actually, I just turned 40 but have all four of my grandparents still living and consider all of them to be close friends of mine. I know plenty about that generation and admire greatly the sort of people they turned out to be as a result of the hardships they endured.
What I don't understand is how they think to rest on their Depression/WWII-era laurels the rest of their lives ... saddling us with the most self-indulgent bunch of Materialist boomer progeny the world's ever seen and strongarming the State for whatever handouts they find necessary to perpetuate their FDR-entitlement mentality when they should know damned good and well there's no way in hell their progeny -- particularly the Incredibly Shrinking numbers of what would have been a natural complement of grandchildren absent state-sanctioned birth control -- are going to manage to shoulder that burden.
But ... particularly given the way their children and grandchildren have turned out ... it's possible this Generation doesn't and never did give them much thought beyond saturating them with the Material Goods which sorta precluded anyone's learning the sort of lessons privation brings.
For it's readily apparent that either they -- or the State at whose teat they're only too willing to suck -- has managed somehow to destroy in a mere generation the "faith of the fathers" it was their obligation to instill in their young. Even the Oompa-Loompas know enough to blame The Mother and the Father when children end up undisciplined, selfish, brattish consumers with few, if any, redeeming qualities.
This monument is a colossal tribute to just that sort of myopic "all about me" attitude. It's only fitting the State stuck it to 'em by rewriting a more Politically Correct version of the Great War by which to remember them. That handwriting was on the wall in spades the moment American troops started "redistributing" Poles, hanging White Russians out to dry and inviting over to our BSCE and NIH the worst of the human experimenters (Japanese AND German) the moment the war was over.
Well, judging by some of the replies on this thread, a LOT of stuff was left out on the memorial.
=== It is a disruptor who likes to bash my parents generation for exercising their franchise in larger numbers than any other bloc.
Their Franchise?
Is that what you call sucking the State for all it's worth at the expense of your children's and their children's future?
Welfare is welfare, no matter WHO asks for it... and your parents and mine have ZERO right to use the guns of government to exact their medical, drug and retirement money from future generations. None whatsoever. Despite the revisionism of FDR and his successors of BOTH parties, there is NO LEGITIMATE way for old folks to use the force of FedGov to rob the nation. It is theft. It saps the National soul and it robs everyone of the initiative to better themselves. Askel5 is anything BUT a disruptor.
=== Well, judging by some of the replies on this thread, a LOT of stuff was left out on the memorial.
It's not just what was left out but what was included as well.
I sat in utter disbelief and dismay during a feature on the Thing during the Newshour a week or two ago. Totally depressing.
The vets got hosed bigtime.
BSCE? Some of us are un-BSCE-educated. :-)
Not only are they removing Jesus Christ, Christ, God but also crosses!!!
A country will fall without God (I recall something to that effect in the Bible), Jesus Christ and Christianity.
I have met Askel5 personally. SHE is not a disruptor. SHE has a legitimate opinion. I suspect HER opinion is of the "Thank you dearly for your service to our country, but no thanks to your socialism..." variety.
I have heard the speech many times on TV, so, I will confirm that it is there, too
Havent been to the memorial, though.
FDR saddled us with Social Security which was a joke back then since noone lived past 65. It wasn't until people started living longer it even became an issue. LBJ saddled us with Medicare (Great Society), and Bush gave us Prescription Drugs. I do not know what generation you are talking about but my father is 72 and his father was from the WWII generation. Most of this generation you complain about have been dead for 10 years. If you are talking about people still alive (my parent's generation), I might agree with you.
It was the politicians of the greatest generation who did that. Why put the blame on all Americans of that era?
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