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Info From Iraq From Someone Who Is Doing the Run and Gun
June 2004 | An American Contractor

Posted on 06/06/2004 11:55:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee

heheheh.


41 posted on 06/07/2004 3:26:45 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: Travis McGee

It was payback on the SgtMaj for making me rappel off the west end of Hangar One at Tustin (a mere 50 meters from jump-off to ground...)


42 posted on 06/07/2004 3:34:17 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Travis McGee

What kind of movement was he referring to during magazine changes Master Obi Wan?


43 posted on 06/07/2004 3:36:35 PM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address)
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To: Poohbah
...and no, sir, I don't know who dropped the 203 smoke in the LT's jeep when he decided to go nuts with the God-gun, but it was tactically a good idea - the obscurant put the gun out of comission...

...and it was a damn nice shot, if I might add, sir...

44 posted on 06/07/2004 3:39:02 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: Travis McGee; humblegunner; Flyer; TexasCowboy; HoustonCurmudgeon; TheMom

Great post Matt!!!


45 posted on 06/07/2004 3:54:02 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: Woahhs
This is the only magazine change mention in the letter, do you mean this? I don't know anything about it.

emember the DYNCORP guy who shot the principle in Baghdad last winter? The story in its most recent telling over cheap Turkish beer involved a diplomatic cover up, a magazine change, and several deaths.

46 posted on 06/07/2004 4:02:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; Woahhs
The three guys shot on the roof here were all either changing mags while standing or weren’t moving to different firing positions frequently

This is what I think Woahhs meant. The guys probably dropped their mags, stod there, reloaded and got dropped. No side step, no nothing.

And it's been 25 years since my last Australian peel.

Travis, check your 'incoming' box.

47 posted on 06/07/2004 4:21:42 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO city...)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner

This reminds me of something I've been meaning to discuss.


48 posted on 06/07/2004 4:34:51 PM PDT by Flyer (CAUTION! People May Be Dumber Than They Appear In The Forum)
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To: Eagle Eye; Travis McGee

That's the one EE. Many thanks.

I would think adding random movement would tend to confuse your reload drill, but if it's drilled it's not random.

I just don't understand what he means.

BTW, what's an Australian Peel?


49 posted on 06/07/2004 4:35:39 PM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address)
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To: Woahhs

You're right, if it's practiced it's not random. But it can still look funny at the range.

The Peel is an immediate action drill that is designed to break contact without giving away the size of the element and the way we did it, ended with a real bang! (Claymore)


50 posted on 06/07/2004 4:43:42 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO city...)
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To: Travis McGee; All
. . . when Normaltown USA might turn into Fallujah.

Makes me shudder to think how much most of us don't know about staying alive in such a situation, me definitely included.

Lots of great information here, Travis, thanks! Bookmarked, printed out and saved to hard disk. Loved all the references to his equipment and his suppliers. How's this for good work (click lower right for the enlarged pic)? :-)

BTW, while Googling up some of the acronyms, I found this (defensereview.com) site where they review military equipment, etc. FYI.

51 posted on 06/07/2004 4:48:14 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Flyer; Eaker; Travis McGee
This reminds me of something I've been meaning to discuss.

Some training is always a good idea.

Last I heard, Al Qaeda needed no uniforms for training.

52 posted on 06/07/2004 4:48:32 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Eagle Eye
The Peel is an immediate action drill that is designed to break contact without giving away the size of the element and the way we did it, ended with a real bang! (Claymore)

Is that the one where the lead guy opens up on full auto until he runs dry, then he falls back while the guy immediately behind him follows the same procedure in a reverse leap-frog?

53 posted on 06/07/2004 4:50:23 PM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker
Some training is always a good idea.

You got the general idea.

54 posted on 06/07/2004 4:51:45 PM PDT by Flyer (CAUTION! People May Be Dumber Than They Appear In The Forum)
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To: Woahhs

That's the way we did it.


55 posted on 06/07/2004 4:54:35 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO city...)
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To: Woahhs; Eagle Eye; sneakypete; Criminal Number 18F; river rat
We called it an Australian Peeloff, not peel. I practiced it with live ammo lo those many years ago, with nobody shooting at me, but I can tell you how it goes, and why it goes.

It's a breaking contact manuever. Normally, if your squad is "on line" facing the enemy you would bound by elements in reverse, with one element providing covering fire, while the other hauls ass to a place back where they get down and provide cover, when the first element then hauls ass and so forth. That is the usual method of breaking cover in open country.

In an Australian peeloff, you've bumped into a strong enemy head on in file formation. That is, your point man has made contact straight ahead. Especially in jungle or other tight country where there is limited room to manuever to the sides, you will execute an Australian Peeloff.

The point man unloads a full mag on full auto, and "peel" to one side and run back down the trail next to his lined up patrol and past them to good cover. As soon as he passes the next man and is out of the way, that man (usually the patrol leader) fires off another full mag, and peels off to the other side of the patrol file (if there's room) and joins the point man to the rear, reloads, gets set etc.

And so on, each man fires a full auto blast and hauls ass, one after the other. If you have a 40mm grenade ready, you fire that too. Belt fed MGers will fire off 50-100 rounds, depending on cover etc before hauling ass.

The entire patrol (say, 4-10 men) meet up to the rear, and either continue to haul ass, or set up a hasty ambush for pursuers, or whatever.

That, is an "Australian Peeloff." You can only practice that, live fire, with well trained troops. Otherwise, you are asking for somebody to get a full auto burst in the back.

56 posted on 06/07/2004 5:26:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
That, is an "Australian Peeloff." You can only practice that, live fire, with well trained troops. Otherwise, you are asking for somebody to get a full auto burst in the back.

We had a Marine unit try it with blanks and MILES Gear during Gallant Knight '88.

Half of the damn unit's MILES sensors were going "BEEEEEEEP!" (The "you're dead" tone.)

57 posted on 06/07/2004 5:28:47 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Travis McGee
Even if you're never going to go to Iraq, this letter contains MANY pearls of wisdom to salt away for a rainy SHTF day, when Normaltown USA might turn into Fallujah.

Like after Dubya is re-elected, and the extreme left of the Democrat party (the ones who think Howard Dean is a right-wing deviationist) discover "leaderless resistance."

58 posted on 06/07/2004 5:33:21 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Hmmmmm...very interesting...Mike used to *ride* with the barrel of his M16 hanging out the window, a 9mm on his lap, another M16 between his legs and yet another M16 behind his seat...I'll have to ask about the grenades though.


59 posted on 06/07/2004 5:39:26 PM PDT by mystery-ak (*They are all Pat Tillman's*........Rush)
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To: Poohbah
Like after Dubya is re-elected, and the extreme left of the Democrat party (the ones who think Howard Dean is a right-wing deviationist) discover "leaderless resistance."

HAHA! The Democrats do seem to be real wierd these days don't they.
60 posted on 06/07/2004 5:41:16 PM PDT by e_castillo
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