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Ariel Sharon fires two cabinet ministers, Gaza withdraw plan to be approved on Sunday
Jerusalem Post ^ | June 4, 2004 | TOVAH LAZAROFF

Posted on 06/04/2004 10:18:55 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew

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I posted yesterday about his plan to do this. Looks like he followed through. It's pretty funny that Elon is hiding to avoid receiving his notice of dismissal. Reminds me of the tactic of the Texas Democrats fleeing the state to prevent a quorum in the State House over redistricting last year -- although of course Israel's disengagement plan is a much more serious issue.

What exactly does Elon expect to accomplish? He can't hide forever, and as soon as he's caught and fired, the plan will get approved.

1 posted on 06/04/2004 10:18:56 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Sharon must be desparate to try something ... this doesn't seem like him ... but Gaza is such a rat-infested wasteland (it seems) that maybe he has given up on it ...


2 posted on 06/04/2004 10:36:27 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: ChicagoHebrew

This is a sad business. Sharon has been a hero, but his behavior over the past few years reminds me in a significant way of bill clinton. He is an old man obsessed with leaving a "historic legacy" as a peacemaker. Instead, he is guaranteeing that future generations will revile him.

That's my opinion.


3 posted on 06/04/2004 10:37:54 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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4 posted on 06/04/2004 10:42:31 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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As a legacy he may simply be attempting to leave Israel in a tactically stronger position defensibly. I don't think he's naive enough to think his proposals will lead to peace. I admit it's hard to tell, since he hasn't elucidated any sort of a comprehensive plan, which must involve the West Bank.
5 posted on 06/04/2004 10:46:57 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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Sharon has turned into a fool. If only he were to play such hardball with Arafat as he does with his own cabinet!


6 posted on 06/04/2004 11:04:31 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Wasn't there an election recently deciding not to evacuate Gaza?


7 posted on 06/04/2004 1:10:05 PM PDT by jonatron (ABC Radio News is worse than Radio Havana)
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Sharon ran on the platform of not ceding Gaza to terrorists, in stark contrast to his opponent on the left. Now Sharon has become the left. Oh well. Sharon's government will soon collapse, rightfully so.


8 posted on 06/04/2004 1:22:25 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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And I think you are referring to the vote in the Likud party over the plan, which Sharon before hand said he would respect. The party voted against his plan, but he didn't comply.


9 posted on 06/04/2004 1:23:37 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

One can't compare God fearing Elon to those Texas Democrats. The majority in Israel voted for the right in the last elections against the left which wanted to give Gaza to terrorists, etc. Likud, the main "rightwing" party, has a PM who is adopting the leftwing platform. Sharon's government will fall. It won't matter what the cabinet votes, Sharon will not succeed in his plan to expel Jews from their homes in gaza and northern samaria.

There should already be sufficient proof of what happens when land is given to terrorists. Look at Gaza today. 98% of it is controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Are they saying that because the 2% of the land there is controlled by Israel is the reason they can't combat terror? What a joke. The PA IS THE TERROR. Ceding more land to it serves nothing but hurts Israel.


10 posted on 06/04/2004 1:27:20 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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Why is Sharon pushing so hard for the plan? Is he just stubborn, or is there undisclosed major pressure from the US government on him to do this?


11 posted on 06/04/2004 1:39:31 PM PDT by Piranha
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Dramatic times. I sense strategery here. Sharon is clearly desperate to clear out of Gaza, no matter what, and I don't thinhk it's because he is afraid. Time will tell.

Meanhwile, I nominate Yatzpan for Tourism Minister.


12 posted on 06/04/2004 2:17:58 PM PDT by Imal (Relax! It's the Free Republic, baby!)
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Im with you Adam. In my opinion, Israel should never have given up the Sinai. That would have made them tactically stronger. The Sinai is also full of oil.


13 posted on 06/04/2004 2:20:24 PM PDT by priceofreedom (On A Roadmap To Hell)
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I think there must be something more to this ... of course, Egypt is acting like they're pressuring Arafat, which I don't really buy, but the fact that Egypt was in that area makes me wonder what the connections are ...

Sharon certainly isn't weak, but I'll admit this has me scratching my head ... unless he's trying to appease moderate / left-wing Israelis by the Gaza pullout ...

or he is in preparation for a Pali state and say to them, fine you can have Gaza and the West Bank (not Jerusalem) so rule yourselves ... of course, that will give the terror supporters even firmer foothold ...

interesting events over there the past 60 days or so ...


14 posted on 06/04/2004 3:37:30 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Sharon is a pathetic coward. IF he had any integrity he would have announced that the 8,500 Jews being cleansed from Gaza would be matched by 8,500 Israeli Arabs being deported to Gaza. That would be a minimal fig leaf for this disgrace. But he doesn't even have the minor courage to stand up to the expected outcry over such a proposal, and use it as an excellent chance to discuss the grotesque double-standard when it comes to Jews vs. Arabs, and their right to live where they want. As it stands now, this is nothing but a total victory for Hamas, and it is viewed exactly so throughout the Arab world. Disgusting. I hope Yitzhak Rabin is suffering eternal agony in hell for making all this possible.


15 posted on 06/04/2004 4:32:36 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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16 posted on 06/04/2004 4:55:15 PM PDT by Alouette ("Your children like olive trees seated round your table." -- Psalm 128:3)
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What exactly does Elon expect to accomplish?

LOL. Time my friend, time. The Arab murderers are addicted to murder that they might just attempt another attack on Israelis in Gaza while the order is delayed.

It is then much more difficult for Sharon to make a concession at that moment. Sharon's troubles are mounting day by day. Yes. Time, even by a day is worth forstalling Sharon's insanity.

17 posted on 06/04/2004 5:46:22 PM PDT by Nachum
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Hey Alouette give us first account when the vote come in on that Gaza withdrawel I am curious

So this Sunday I SEEEE


18 posted on 06/04/2004 8:18:06 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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Sharon is clearly desperate to clear out of Gaza, no matter what

War is coming. Can't have the settlers sitting in there when they pull out all the stops and start pounding the place.

But Sharon can't very well say that up front.

19 posted on 06/05/2004 7:12:43 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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Is this the same withdrawal plan that Sharon agreed to offer to voters for approval which it failed to win? Why is he implementing it, then?


20 posted on 06/05/2004 7:37:15 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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