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1 posted on 06/03/2004 10:40:28 AM PDT by NorCoGOP
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There's so much fodder here, but I'll tackle this one:

We live in a country where editors of both The New York Times and USA Today resigned, not for any personal crime, but because lies had been told under their watch. That's all.

I don't know about the USA Today editor, but Howell Raines resigned ovr the Jason Blair debacle because it was shown that he was complicit, if not the chief instigator, in promoting an incompetent to the position that Blair attained.

As a side note, if CEO's and others in high administrative positions (in both private industry and government) resigned every time a low-level worker bee did something wrong then there would be no CEO'S or administators.

24 posted on 06/03/2004 10:55:14 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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Apparently, this clown slept through Rumsfeld's recent trip to Iraq, the President's firm statement in support of Rumsfeld and the standing "O"s for Rumsfeld on Memorial Day. Rumsfeld is not going anywhere and I thank God for that.


25 posted on 06/03/2004 10:57:41 AM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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Wish they'd stop their bellyaching. Rummy doesn't need to resign. At least the inmates at Abu Ghraib are still alive. Some even got released. The same can't be said of Nick Berg. Would some of these bellyachers be willing to trade places with Nick Berg please stand up.


27 posted on 06/03/2004 10:57:56 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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Note to Jason Rhode: Your radio station in Lubbock needs you.

Now take your meds, like a good boy and the bus will be by in 10 minutes.

28 posted on 06/03/2004 11:00:17 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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"Sticking by your dad's friends is high virtue..."

Weren't George H. W. and Rumsfeld rivals?


30 posted on 06/03/2004 11:01:42 AM PDT by ConservativeLawStudent
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Because of the tortures and murders at the Abu Ghraib prison, Donald Rumsfeld must resign

What murders ? What tortures ?

31 posted on 06/03/2004 11:02:23 AM PDT by BSunday (If you're not right, you're wrong.)
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I think Barney neeeds to go. Does anyone really believe that was just a Barney-cam for Whitehouse fun and games? PFffffffft. He was up to no good. If you want to find the real leaker, all it takes is a can of S'nausages and a chew toy.


32 posted on 06/03/2004 11:04:06 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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Rumsfeld must resign for two very simple reasons: It will show the world the right side of American character, and it is in line with our society's concept of personal responsibility.

Wonder if this guy was saying the same thing about Bill Clinton after Clinton disgraced the presidency of the United States and the Oval Office with his disgusting, perverted behavior--totally lacking in character and totally NOT in line with our society's concept of personal responsibility. Hmmmmm?

NOT holding Clinton up to the same standards of character and responsibility as most others are, only showed the world just how far "out of line" America has drifted from its previously great standard of character and concept of personal responsibility.

33 posted on 06/03/2004 11:06:39 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("It was on a Monday, somebody touched me! ... must have been the hand of the Lord!")
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RUMSFELD MUST STAY

There is no reason for him to resign....

34 posted on 06/03/2004 11:07:39 AM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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He must leave his position as U.S. Secretary of Defense
I think the State Department could use a Rumsfeld-style shakeup now. This proposal may have some merit.
35 posted on 06/03/2004 11:09:13 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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he didn't condone them like Rush Limbaugh

This alone shows you can't take anything this author says seriously.

36 posted on 06/03/2004 11:09:43 AM PDT by SirAllen (Liberalism^2 = Communism)
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But what for? Rumsfeld didn't order the war crimes at Abu Ghraib; he didn't condone them like Rush Limbaugh; rather, he publicly denounced them.

"But he has to go anyway, darn it! Al Franken and Randi Rhodes both said so!"

[::rolls eyes::]

37 posted on 06/03/2004 11:10:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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I was about to comment, but then I saw the article starting with "LUBBOCK, Texas" and immediately everything became clear ;-)


39 posted on 06/03/2004 11:11:30 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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Hey Jason(writer of this article) don't become an

to impress your liberal journalism professor.

40 posted on 06/03/2004 11:14:38 AM PDT by Dane
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"Because of the tortures and murders at the Abu Ghraib prison,..."

Humiliation and sleep deprivation aren't torture. This guy needs a dictionary. As for murders, why didn't he call for Rumsfeld ouster when that Islamic soldier hootched his buddy at the beginning of the war? Rumsfeld isn't responsisble for every nut job in the service. His/her immediate supervisor is.


"Donald Rumsfeld must resign. He must leave his position as U.S. Secretary of Defense for the good of his boss, his war, his department and his country."

??????? First Rumsfeld, then Bush gets impeached as his supervisor. THese libs must think we are brain-dead.

"And if he does not, Bush must fire him, which would be a rare demonstration for this administration of the rule that officials are responsible for their wrong actions. Mr. President: there comes a time when blind loyalty, however pigheaded, comes to a fault. That time is now."

A liberal is revealed by his diatribes. And id Rumsfled is responsible for the idiot who ran that prison, WHO is repsonsible for Rumsfeld?? I don't think Watergate will work a second time around, Libs.

"Sticking by your dad's friends is high virtue, but when this individual (A) deserves the boot, and (B) damages the administration and nation's credibility while in office, walking papers are required. Like crazy Old Yeller, who was loyal and faithful but eventually dangerous, Donald Rumsfeld needs to be put down by his master."

More liberal vindective. What damages our credibilty are people like Ted (Hiccup) "The Swimmer" making idiotic statements to the world press, which then quotes him as though he had a functioning brain.

"But what for? Rumsfeld didn't order the war crimes at Abu Ghraib; he didn't condone them like Rush Limbaugh; rather, he publicly denounced them. And let us assume that it was sheer oversight on his part that Abu Ghraib -- a place of absolute evil and symbol for the Hussein regime in Iraq -- was not only not demolished but used to house Iraqi prisoners. Let us forget his dodging of the Geneva Convention,"

????????? The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to terrorists.
This guy is a real idiot, like most liberals.

" his shocking disregard for handling the unpleasant realities of the job."

????????? The military authoorities swiftly followed up on the situation. The guilty will be puinish or are being punished. Is he advocating "pre-emptive" justice??

" Perhaps Rumsfeld is a victim of the entire affair -- also tortured, but by the media. No matter. Rumsfeld must resign for two very simple reasons: It will show the world the right side of American character,"

No. It would be an unacceptable admission of guilt we are not responsible for and provide this author with more rocks to toss at the administation.


" and it is in line with our society's concept of personal responsibility. "

Go lecture Pelosi, Daschole, and Ted (Hiccup) "The Swimmer" about "personal responsibility".


"For the sake of not only preserving our values but also actively practicing them in front of the world, when we badly need proof that we're not self-righteous hypocrites: the secretary has to leave."


Talk about self-righteous. That's the liberals' middle name.

"Iraqis and other Middle Easterners have grown up under brutal governments where the rulers did whatever evil they pleased and were not held responsible; they got away with more daily injustice than Donald Trump's toupee consultant."

Now some capitalist bashing. By Middle Eastern Standards, why wnet on in Abu Ghrabid was a sorority romp.


" And now here come the Americans, saying things are different."

They are. Haven't you noticed???

"But boy, it sure doesn't look that way, does it? So much for winning over Iraqi hearts and minds. Rumsfeld, by staying right where he is, sends a message that our preaching of individual responsibility is a sham, that Bush's cronies are as above the law as Saddam was."

We didn't spill American blood and American money to remake Iraq for the benefit of the IRaqi people. We did it because of 9-1-1 and to protect US. If the Iraqis benefit as a consequnce, asa they appear to be, so much the better. But that's NOT why we went there.

"America celebrates the individual like no other nation."

Yeah. As long as that individual is a half-crocked liberal with an outrageous minority opinion.

" But the price of personal freedom is responsibility."

Strange talk from a liberal - "personal responsibility" The price of freedom is ALSO being willing to FIGHT for it.


"We live in a country where editors of both The New York Times and USA Today resigned, not for any personal crime, but because .."

Their bosses were worried about sales and credibility. These guys just did what everybody else in the liberal mainstream media does - lie and distort. They just happened to have been caught.

" That's all. I read those same papers and I see stories of CEOs and captains of industry who surrender administration, not because they had overlooked murder, rapes, and beatings, but because their underlings stole vast sums of money. If we apply this high standard to the rest of our country, why wouldn't we put it to the man right below the president? "

Is the author of this peice smoking some strong stuff or what??

"Rumsfeld is not directly responsible, but he helped to create the culture in which Abu Ghraib flourished."

Duhhh. No. The atmosphere there wa created by liberals. By liberals who think women belong in combat. By liberals who teach "if it feels good do it" and "do your own thing". By liberals who think human reproduction is a varsity sport. By liberals who don't believe in teaching young people self-respect, respect for others and self-discipline.

And, by the way, despite ALL the above, the overwheliming number of American troops there don't od this. It represents an aberrant minority.

Like their Fuhrer, John Kerry, the liberal left is trying to paint ALL American fighting men and women with the same tarred brush which applies only to afew abberant individuals in ANY military establishment.

" And he has told us there is worse to come. Given that he has known of it since he woke up at the wheel in January, I take him at his word. He knows this, yet shamelessly, he remains."


Please!! How melodramatic!!

"Rumsfeld has already damned himself, and now he's damning the rest of us and every American soldier who has to walk a street in Baghdad or Tikrit at night. Mr. Rumsfeld, it's time for you to go."

No. Its people like this author and his master running for an Office he would stain as badly as Bush II's Predecessor who are doing all the blatant damming of American soldiers.


Only a College Paper would dare to print such drivel.





42 posted on 06/03/2004 11:18:04 AM PDT by ZULU (They weree)
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I'd like to see Rumsfeld replace Roosevelt on the dime!


43 posted on 06/03/2004 11:35:17 AM PDT by Solamente
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Who is this numbnuts? What murders? Total nonsense, this guy needs to be b!tchslapped.


52 posted on 06/03/2004 12:32:07 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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Because of the tortures and murders at the Abu Ghraib prison, Donald Rumsfeld must resign.

No need to read beyond this first sentence to know that this article is a load of crap.

54 posted on 06/03/2004 1:03:19 PM PDT by pgkdan
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Rumsfeld stays right where he is. Thank the Lord.


60 posted on 06/03/2004 2:23:23 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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Wouldn't you like to see one of these "reporters" just once tell the truth. They hide it in their words. They just dance around it.

Rumsfeld must resign for two very simple reasons: It will show the world the (LEFT,CRIMINAL,LIBERAL,WEAKGUTTED) side of American character, and it is in line with our (LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC LED) society's concept for any personal responsibility. For the sake of not only (DESTROYING ALL MORAL) values but also (OUTLAWING) them in front of the world, when we (SO OPENLY AND GLIBLY) prove that we're self-righteous hypocrites: the secretary has to leave.

63 posted on 06/03/2004 3:33:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The LINE has been drawn. While the narrow minded see a line, the rest see a circle.)
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