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Does Wal-Mart Destroy Communities?
Club For Growth ^ | [Posted May 31, 2004] | William L. Anderson

Posted on 06/02/2004 7:26:39 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

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To: GOPJ

Walmart has the market power to tell Teh-ray-zuh how much she can charge for her ketchup. That's really gotta chap her ass.


81 posted on 06/02/2004 9:05:52 AM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war. Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

****I bought my Lawnmower at a mom and pop hardware and small engine repair store two blocks from WalMart.***

Woopie do for you. I bought a $600.00 tiller at Wal-Mart (made in USA) and it would not even tear up the soil for my garden. I took it back the next day dirty and dusty and they gave me my money back. Try that with a Mom and Pop store!

IGA cat food, .48 cents a can. Same brand at WM .32 cents.


82 posted on 06/02/2004 9:06:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: scouse

How does that apply to Walmart? How many Target and Kmart stores are there? How many Costco stores are there? There is plenty of competition out there and none pay more than Walmart, none are unionized. They are indentical in the purchasing , employment and pricing policies. Why is it that ONLY Walmart gets singled out and the others get a pass for operating the same way?


83 posted on 06/02/2004 9:11:30 AM PDT by bfree (Liberals are EVIL!!!)
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To: 7thson
Remember - Hitlery used to be on their board

Remember WalMart used to have to survive as an Arkansas Corporation.

84 posted on 06/02/2004 9:12:13 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: No Blue States; neutrino
With Walmart many of us realize those smaller shops were making a ridiculous profit before competition came in and spoiled their little monopoly.

Rediculous profit.. would that be like the rediculous profit of those who are now outsourcing. Oh, wait, no - it's only rediculous profit if you don't get a stock percentage or your company isn't making enough to pay it's execs 230 million dollars in bonuses while the workers are making subpoverty wages, right. Almost forgot the crowd we're talking to..

85 posted on 06/02/2004 9:13:11 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Alberta's Child
What many people don't seem to understand is that the primary factor in the demise of small-town America wasn't Safeway, Sears, Wal-Mart, etc. -- it was the growth of the automobile. . .

You said a mouthful there. No one wants to walk anymore. It used to be common in our small town to see ladies walking to the local grocery wheeling their little 2-wheel grocery totes. Now everyone wants to drive everywhere; Americans love their cars.

What has happened here in our very rural small town is that the Wal-Mart and Tops were built on the best farmland, and their bulk buying power undercut the local businesses who do not have that advantage. One small example was their horse-equipment department; after the local feed & equipment store went out of business, Wal-Mart dropped that department, so now instead of two choices for buyers there are none. The big store management-level employees were all from out of town, and most of the rest are part-time. While many people love the lower prices and easy parking, their taxes have gone up since Wal-Mart eroded the tax base by putting downtown retailers out of business and by employing out-of-towners.

The presence of Wal-Mart and (foreign owned)Tops is a double-edged sword, and while things are certainly different, I can't honestly say that there is an improved the quality of life or of economics here.

86 posted on 06/02/2004 9:15:24 AM PDT by MJemison
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To: No Blue States
I dont know, Maybe we were paying for their larger overhead expenses.

And what were those overhead expenses? Some are waste (e.g., your rent and electricity below). Others help the local economy (e.g., employment, profits spent locally, etc.).

Even better than Walmart I like to shop online when possible because the overhead is so small and taxes can sometimes be avoided. (I pay enough taxes as it is)

In theory, if your state has a sales tax, you probably owe a use tax. In practice, almost nobody pays it but states do sometimes go after it for big-ticket items that they find out about (and they have ways to find out about some big ticket purchases).

As a consumer I prefer not pay a premium on goods for their rent and electric at a pyhsical location.

I think the bigger problem is paying for loss -- theft and goods damaged by gorilla shoppers. My biggest concern over the loss of local retailers is the loss of the ability to look at what you are buying before you buy it. Retailers definitely offer a showroom capability that mail order businesses cannot match. And while some people browse at retailers and then buy mail order to save money, that's only maintainable if the retailers stay in business.

87 posted on 06/02/2004 9:16:09 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
Remember - Hitlery used to be on their board

There seems to be some confusionhere between "profit" and "mark-up". High markup does not denote high profit. The determinant of profit is more apt to be efficiency, costs of doing business.

88 posted on 06/02/2004 9:16:21 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: sawmill trash

89 posted on 06/02/2004 9:16:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: bfree

Shopping at Walmart is all well and good until the day comes when our military faces off with China's.

We all will have had a hand in funding the very weapons that will kill Americans one day.


90 posted on 06/02/2004 9:19:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Shopping at Walmart is all well and good until the day comes when our military faces off with China's.

Don't blame WM for Clinton sending China all the secrets for building a modern nuclear military.

91 posted on 06/02/2004 9:22:14 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: bfree
People have the right to compete and people have the right to choose where to shop.

Please point out where I've proposed passing a law to ban Wal-Mart or stop you from shopping there. In fact, I don't think anyone has here.

I am sick of all the do gooders telling me what to do and where to spend my money.

That's nice. Remember freedom of speech? You've got a right to choose where to shop and others have got a right to comment on it, especially in an open forum like this.

If you don't like Walmart, it's simple, don't shop there.

And if you like Wal-Mart, it's simple. Keep shopping there and ignore the people telling you not to.

But let those who do want to shop there do so, stop trying to restrict everyone's freedom to choose.

And let those who think that shopping at Wal-Mart is a problem say so and stop trying to restrict everyone's freedom of speech. See how freedom works? It's a two-way street. People are trying to persuade you not to shop at Wal-Mart. Feel free to try to persuade them they are wrong or should stop complaining. But please spare me the righteous indignation about how your freedom and rights are being infringed upon.

92 posted on 06/02/2004 9:23:25 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: .cnI redruM
Any journalist who would write the words "Jesus would not shop at Wal-Mart" deserves to be immediately relieved from duty. Perhaps our friend, the Journalistic Genius, would like to offer us a scripture-laden explanation of why he would shop at Target or K-Mart instead.

My impression is that the journalist is a Wal-Mart apologist who utilized that quote to mock Wal-Mart critics. But in doing so, he also inadvertantly expands the discussion as to how the chain retailers have denigrated American society far beyond undermining Main Street Mom & Pop merchants and the livelihoods of small-town factory workers who used to supply our manufactured goods.

Over the course of decades, it has indeed been the evil retail chain stores who have systematicly obliterated state's rights and "blue laws". ("Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exo.20:8).)

In defiling this Commandment, the national chain retailers are guilty of undermining family values and the moral fabric of American society. It is in the name of their unrelenting worship of commercialism that we now suffer exposure to Janet Jackson's boob in the guise of "entertainment". Or Roseanne Barf grabbing her crotch while singing the national anthem.

Chain store apologists will, of course, deny any direct responsiblity for this shift in American society.
But the answer is "NO".
Jesus would NOT shop at WalMart. Nor at Target, nor at K-Mart, nor at J.C. Penney, nor at May's, nor at Sears, nor at Marshall Field's, nor at etc. etc. etc.

Jesus wouldn't shop at ANY of 'em on the Sabbath.

93 posted on 06/02/2004 9:25:02 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: arthurus

I'm not worried about their nukes.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040602-010016-1638r.htm


94 posted on 06/02/2004 9:27:47 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Question_Assumptions

Now that you seem to have all the answers, please answer the most important question that you ignored-what about Target, Kmart and Costco? They fit the same mold and yet you have nothing to say about them. Why? Please use your freedom to explain to me why they are different?


95 posted on 06/02/2004 9:40:34 AM PDT by bfree (Liberals are EVIL!!!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
There certainly is value in being able to touch and inspect the actual product, not to mention ease of return if its defective, compared to mail order.

As a Walmart shopper I also use some mom and pop shops. A jeweler , Army /navy, local BBQ, and other restaurants ect..

When possible I spend money in town, such as insurance and car repairs.

It sure is nice to buy bread and milk at the same place, while also buying spray paint,a tree,a toy for the kids,some 3" wood screws and a new fishing lure...all cheaper than elsewhere.

Convienience and better prices are strong selling points.

96 posted on 06/02/2004 9:41:10 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: RightWhale

I don't go to Sam's Club because I rarely have a need for a ten-gallon jar of mayonaisse.


97 posted on 06/02/2004 9:47:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: bfree
Now that you seem to have all the answers, please answer the most important question that you ignored-what about Target, Kmart and Costco? They fit the same mold and yet you have nothing to say about them. Why? Please use your freedom to explain to me why they are different?

Not exactly the same model, though Home Depot might. The difference is how Wal-Mart treats its suppliers and competators. For example, see:

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

(The bit you need to consider is the impact that this strategy ultimately has on quality. A supplier can't keep making the same goods for less, especially when their own raw material costs go up. They've got to cut something. At first, it may be waste but, ultimately, they'll start to cut quality -- and I think that's already happening.)

If you've got evidence of Target, K-Mart, or Costco doing the same thing, I'd be more than happy to look at it.

98 posted on 06/02/2004 9:53:30 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: SengirV
Great thinking there. Lets have one hundred $10 workers sell sweat shop items made overseas so that 1000+ skilled American workers can lose their jobs. Super strategy.

The purpose of buying clothes is to be clothed, not to employ Americans in South Carolina doing "skilled" work. I am as interested in what they do for a living as they are in my career. If the shirt fits, looks good, is decent quality, at a good price, I'll buy it. That's my clothing strategy, which works fine. As for world economics and the retail and textile industries as a whole, it's not for me to say. I have no expertise and nothing to do with it.

99 posted on 06/02/2004 9:53:57 AM PDT by Huck (The corporation I work for spends big bucks each year on taglines.)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Pay attention to quality and keep track of where the clothes are made and how long the clothes last.

And don't forget to breath and look both ways before crossing. Pearls of wisdom.

100 posted on 06/02/2004 9:54:46 AM PDT by Huck (The corporation I work for spends big bucks each year on taglines.)
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