Teen Victim's Family Seeks Name Change(Transgender killed by sex partners)

AP ^ | May 27 04 | MICHELLE LOCKE

[captaindude2]

this sentence is really un-grammatical:

"she was savagely beaten and strangled at a house party after a girl followed her to the bathroom, reached under her skirt and discovered her male genitalia."

if SHE has male genitalia its a HE! anyway the guys who killed this confused BOY should get the electric chair and beheaded (at the same time).

Before you have sex with a girl you should always ask "do you have a penis??"

[LADY J]

"Two of the four accused -- who are all in their early 20s -- had prior sexual relations with Gwen and been suspicious of her gender."

Is it too obvious to ask how the two that had prior sexual relations with Gwen did not notice that she had a penis?

[Tacis]

On second thought, it is probably good that this freak didn't want to be a horse. Then they would have had to have a vet sign the death certificate.

How about if he wanted to be a Ford? Would the California DMV be willing to issue him a VIN, post mortum? License plates? Why do freaks insist on trying to force normal people to get involved with their diseased halucinations?

[weegee]

If a rape victim or child abuse victim stalks down the molestor, is that much different than what happened here?

Vigilantism is a crime and I am never for it (on the streets or in jails).

This was not "consensual sex". They were violated. Baiting "rough trade" often ends with dangerous results.

[weegee]

Oral sex is not sex?

[weegee]

Until a "transgendered" or "transexual" person can go from producing sperm to ovulating (or vice versa), it is merely cosmetic surgery with hormonal therapy to mask the secondary sex traits.

Calling them "plastic surgery recipiants" would keep them from barging into the restroom of members of the opposite sex, however.

[MHGinTN]

Don't be confused ... sinkEmperor didn't care if the mouth was on a male or a female according to White House rumors.

[LADY J]

"Oral sex is not sex?"

Slick Willie says no!

[eastsider]

It's probably the only thing he said that I agree with. Then again, I had a Jesuit education, too ...

[captaindude2]

"is this a penis??"

"depends on what your definition of IS is"

[onedoug]

...had prior sexual relations....

Together or separately?

May God sort it out though.

[ahayes]

If a rape victim or child abuse victim stalks down the molestor, is that much different than what happened here?

Vigilantism is a crime and I am never for it (on the streets or in jails).

This was not "consensual sex". They were violated. Baiting "rough trade" often ends with dangerous results.

Ok, that's just stupid. These people didn't get intimate enough with him to realize his actual sex, so he must have just done certain favors for them. Since they were so casual to not realize she was a he, I'd say they were out actively searching for a willing girl to give them five minutes of attention. The problem is that it wasn't really a girl--in that way it was a violation. But it certainly is in an entirely different league from rape and child molestation and they weren't hapless victims.

Yes, what he did in deceiving them was wrong, but what they did in treating sex so casually was also wrong, and the long, drawn-out murder was most definitely wrong. They should be executed.

[eastsider]

Oral sex is not sex?

According to LegalDefintions.com, "sodomy is the oral or anal sex between two people."

[DuncanWaring]

"She's Gwen to me, and I'm her mother," Sylvia Guerrero said outside the courthouse.

Then why didn't you name "her" Gwen originally?

[weegee]

And drunken sex is "consensual sex"? I'll be sure to ping you to the next date rape thread.

[Xenalyte]

Don't be confused ... sinkEmperor didn't care if the mouth was on a male or a female according to White House rumors.

Do tell! I thought I'd heard (and propagated) all the scurrilous rumors out there. Link, even if it's pure gossip?

[weegee]

Casual sex is not a crime.

False pretense is. So is murder.

The question is this justifiable homicide. Likely not. I don't support ANY vigilantism (even for child molestation or rape). Want those crimes to warrant the death penalty? Appeal to the legislature.

Don't make excuses for the sick sex games this man played.

[ahayes]

You do that, as apparently I'll need to be around to counter your claim that consensual sex that a woman later regrets counts as date rape.

There was nothing in either of the stories about the poor men being drunk at the time and thus unable to fend him off as he unzipped their pants. There's every indication that they welcomed his advances and had no problem with their "prior sexual relations" until they found out he was really male.

At first, the news that she had male anatomy brought laughter and derision, but the mood soon soured. For the next two hours, it's alleged that the men beat Gwen so savagely that police described her eventual death as "overkill."

Police said one young man hit her in the head with a soup can, then a skillet. She sank to the floor and was kicked so hard in the head she dented the wall when she hit it. The men allegedly wrapped her in a blanket to prevent blood from staining the couch and floor. Prosecutors said she was dragged to the garage, where they strangled her, then tossed her in the back of a pickup. Another man hit her in the head with a shovel to ensure that she was dead.

I suppose you'd say they shouldn't be found guilty for the brutal two hour murder since you think they were drunk at the time? I guess they were thinking straight enough to protect the furniture from those inconvenient blood stains.

[Boot Hill]

"She's Gwen to me, and I'm her mother."

Or maybe it was...

LOLA

I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola
See-oh-el-aye cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
El-oh-el-aye Lola la-la-la-la Lola

Well I'm not the world's most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola

Well we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said dear boy won't you come home with me
Well I'm not the world's most passionate guy
But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
I pushed her away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got down on my knees
Then I looked at her and she at me

Well that's the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Well I left home just a week before
And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
But Lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said dear boy I'm gonna make you a man

Well I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola
La-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola

 

[ahayes]

Casual sex is not a crime.

Oh, so now you agree that it was consensual hooking up and they weren't comatose on the sofa?

I'm not making excuses. I said it was wrong and stupid to lie. But that doesn't make this rape, it just makes it sex that was later regretted. If they hadn't been so casual about hooking up the chances of anything like this happening would be zero.