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Hackworth: Draft Inevitable, Soldiers Voting With Their Feet
Soldier for the Truth ^ | 5/24/04

Posted on 05/27/2004 8:08:22 AM PDT by gcul

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To: gcul
A friend of mine has decided the military is his ticket to a decent retirement. He became a captain in the reserves after graduation with a degree in engineering. He realized that being an engineer in the service may put him in harms way so right after 9-11 he opted for a lateral promotion to a public spokesman job to keep himself out of harms way. He now spends a weekend or so per month at captains wages which after taxes is considerable. I do not fault him but the fact is that savvy serviceman are making like decisions and that if left unmanaged, will cost the US in money and qualified personnel. This soldier was trained at considerable expense to blow things up and kill people and now his job is to toe the company line and spin the facts. He is utterly unqualified for this but the ladder for promotion and self preservation led him in that direction. If it was so for everyone then we would not have a ready Army.
41 posted on 05/27/2004 8:58:25 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Badeye
I stopped taking Hackworth seriously after he predicted 10,000 American dead just before the Gulf War kicked off back in 1991.

Sounds like Pat Buchanan and Hack are using each others' material.

42 posted on 05/27/2004 8:58:35 AM PDT by gcul
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To: Polybius
When it comes to military predictions, you will do better asking my 13 year old daughter than asking Hackworth. At least my 13 year old daughter will admit to you her predictions are worthless.

I agree. I think he is a good man, and his heart is in the right place, but he has made to many incorrect predictions for him to have any credibility.

43 posted on 05/27/2004 9:00:24 AM PDT by Check_Your_Premises (To crush your enemies, and see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the left)
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To: gcul
“I believe we are going to have a massive attrition problem in the Reserve. I have 24 years in the Army Reserve, and this is my second time in the Gulf. They’re talking about reservists having to deploy once every five years. I doubt our civilian employers and families are going to buy into that. I've got to get out when I redeploy if I want to stay married.”

I'm sorry, but deploying once every five years seems quite reasonable, at least with the current state of affairs. The primary responsibility of the armed forces (including the reserves) is to fight against enemies and protect the nation. I think the past few decades of effort promoting the service as a job training program has skewed some enlistees' perceptions of their obligation.

And I don't think advertising the Army or Marines as actual fighting forces would hinder recruitment. Some of the "Army of One" ads are doing an ok job of depicting things, but when they show some chick learning "electronics", I think "some poor, sorry girl from podunk is going to sign up and get her ass kicked". Anyone else have similar thoughts?

44 posted on 05/27/2004 9:00:33 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: SquirrelKing
Consolidate forces into an iron fist and be ready for the next hotspot.

If you consolidate your forces into an iron first, that is the last you will see of your forces--a glowing hotspot.

45 posted on 05/27/2004 9:01:20 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: gcul

Hack has a narrow view of the situation. If soldiers are disgruntled they contact him. If they are satisfied the do not.

Unfortunately, Hack assumes the folks griping represent 100% of the Army.


46 posted on 05/27/2004 9:02:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Little Ray

Wonder what Hackworth would have said in late '42 while we were bogged down in a hopless war of attrition on a worthless island in the middle of the Pacific called Guadalcanal?


47 posted on 05/27/2004 9:05:19 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: KellyAdmirer

For years Hackworth has been beating the drum for a return of the draft. Why you say? As he put it in a recent essay "The Draft as Deterrent", the draftees are "natural-born whistle-blowers" who keep the military and politicians in line.


48 posted on 05/27/2004 9:05:31 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: gcul
Note to David H. Hackworth
Put a sock in it!
Then go pound sand!
49 posted on 05/27/2004 9:09:01 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 2banana
"Stop loss is not only a breach of contract, it’s a form of slavery,” railed a Special Forces (SF) senior noncommissioned officer

True, but I do wonder if this guy is being kept from a lucrative offer from Blackwater or another private military firm.

50 posted on 05/27/2004 9:09:41 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: familyop

You said

"US wives should do their part, too, you know. They shouldn't be exempt from any defense responsibilities. They could keep it in their pants while their men are living miserably and risking their lives for us all. "

Miltary spouses are not military members. They are exempted by law from any defense responsibilities, whatever you mean by that, thanks mainly to a backlash against the white-glove-tea-with-the-commander's-wife-to-promote-your-husband's-career culture of the 50s and 60s.

I agree with your ideas about no-fault divorce, but you're way off base if you want to make "US wives" subject to the UCMJ.


51 posted on 05/27/2004 9:10:12 AM PDT by didi (( Proud "US wife" and private citizen))
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To: gcul; tpaine

Thanx for the ping, TP.

Hackworth lost any credibity with the Guard years back.

The draft talk is just trip wire, meant to bring down suport for the war among The Sheep. And of course, GWB. The Left doesn't want it, knows they can't get it, but it's a great political football and mind screw.


52 posted on 05/27/2004 9:21:31 AM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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To: gcul

"Except that’s exactly 180 degrees out from what hundreds of soldiers have told me during the past few weeks."

Exactly when, where and how did Hackworth communicate with hundresds of soldiers during the past few weeks? I doubt seriously he has gone to Iraq or Afghanistan to meet with them personally. Can you imagine the military issuing Hackworth press credentials and giving him access to troops in the field?

The only place I could imagine Hackworth having contact with soldiers, sailors, airmen or Marines nowadays is in a checkout line at the PX or commissary, or at an off post bar where Hackworth was buying drinks. I'd be willing to bet Hackworth would not get too warm a reception if he visited an Officers' Club.

Also, the stop-loss provisions under which personnel are being retained are not breaches of contracts. The standard contract contains provisions for duration of any emergency plus additional time.


53 posted on 05/27/2004 9:30:14 AM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: gcul
Did you guys notice that Hack makes money by "accentuating the negative"?

Him and his sidekick Scott Ritter are two of a kind.


http://W-04.com

54 posted on 05/27/2004 9:31:40 AM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign visit W-04.com for FREE STICKERS)
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To: 2banana

You are correct and I don't think Hackworth is totally off base here however I do see many new recruits.

My Air National Guard unit has lost a fair amount of experienced NCO's and SNCO's after returning from Iraq and will shed many others by 2005.

War is war and when called you must go. The problem is that you don't have any clear timeline as to when you'll return and now the Guard and Reserve are being pressed into service for at least 4 months out of every year.

I joined for 3 reasons. I love my country, I love the Air Force and aviation and I couldn't afford to pay for college. I'm 27 and still trying to complete my degree because I've been forced to drop my classes due to activations. I would consider staying in if I could get a commission but am fairly sure I'll hang it up after 10 years of service.

I've already lost one job because of my military service, of which the Department of Labor is investigating, and I can't afford to lose another.

Rumsfield and the Secretaries of the various departments are talking about decreasing the size of the military. Considering our current commitment I just don't see how.

There is a problem, trust me.


55 posted on 05/27/2004 9:32:27 AM PDT by TSgt (What have you done for your country today?)
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To: gcul

Tom Paine had a word for them in the Revolutionary War--Sunshine Soldiers.

There are always going to be a certain number of soldiers who sign up for the Reserve and a peace-time army but don't want to continue when they are actually called upon to serve.

I don't belittle their service. But when faced by losing their well-paying employment at home, it's only logical that older Reserve members want to end their service when the time comes and they can get out. Imagine a professional man in his thirties unexpectedly sent to Iraq on an extended mission. Will he want to extend his service or return to his job and family?


56 posted on 05/27/2004 9:33:07 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Poodlebrain

Where does Hack cite any statistics to prove that either a.)the officer & senior NCO attrition rate is higher than before, or, b.)that the numbers of enlistments/commissions is going down?

Historically, officers in the military have viewed times of war to be opportunities for career advancement & professional growth. Maybe if people are leaving it is a "weeding out" process of the weak?


57 posted on 05/27/2004 9:34:05 AM PDT by 0scill8r
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To: gcul

I'm having one hellava bonfire this winter, fueled with Hackworth and Clancy books. Bring your marshmallows and join me.


58 posted on 05/27/2004 9:41:04 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: W04Man

He is trying to prove that he was correct in his estimations, even though his estimations did not come true.
If you read his books, he says he wants an Army that is Military, not Corporate, he wants an Officer system that is lot limited to " Three or out", and a system where Officers put troops first.

Looks like his big deal is showing how smart he was, not the troops or the efficiency of the Army.


59 posted on 05/27/2004 9:41:35 AM PDT by Ramonan (You never get something for nothing)
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To: 0scill8r
. Maybe if people are leaving it is a "weeding out" process of the weak?

Regrettably, waiting unti comabt to cull the ranks means good troops might wind up dead.

Hackworth suffers from False Authority Syndrome; his reputation is such that, he can make something out of thin air, and others will unquestioningly cite it as fact.

60 posted on 05/27/2004 9:42:17 AM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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