Posted on 05/25/2004 3:58:36 AM PDT by VanZant
So why did he get involved in politics.
It always amazes me when people have no clue what motivates their fellow human beings on this planet.
Everybody in politics has an ego. They are all competitive and every time they suit up they want to prevail.
Most people cite the shame and pain the family had from the 92 defeat driving W into politics. I assure you, he will be haunted if he is a one termer. That's life.
If you took a nation to war and got kicked out because of it and your successor abandons your mission--you are a failure for all time. Your fellow countrymen rejected you, because they thought you were bad for the country. That is not something you absorb without pain and regret.
Only because Clinton failed so miserably in his first 2 years. I think Kerry is entirely capable of that, but I think that is a terrible thing to have to endure.
I think Kerry will change the country for the worse if he is elected. The 90s weren't cost free, where we are in the world today has much to do with the Clinton 90s. As a people, we aren't better. The Clinton 90s was bad for us as a people.
What an idiotic thing to say... what? you post a thread on free republic and only you understand the heart of a politician. What hubris!
Not only do politicians have ego...we all have egos... and your's is on display at this very moment...
Again, that's your life... I happen to believe that the President has more depth to him than you do.
If you took a nation to war and got kicked out because of it and your successor abandons your mission--you are a failure for all time. Your fellow countrymen rejected you, because they thought you were bad for the country. That is not something you absorb without pain and regret.
Oh my word! That's the funniest thing I've read this morning.
But it wasn't the Iowa democrats that destroyed Dean--it was the media. The media destroyed him in Iowa and the Iowans votes were influenced by the incredibly nasty media coverage on the eve of that vote.
The media declared him "unelecteable", his wife was destroyed as well. Meanwhile, Kerry was labeled electable.
I think we would be naive to think that the Abu Ghraib revelations that happened right before the Iowa vote didn't change the race. We were all in the dark, but the media wasn't.
Kerry couldn't tie Clinton's shoes. Kerry would be truly Carter-esque, without the Congressional support.
President Bush, who understands freedom and values life, will only be a failure to those who don't.
With Ickes and Soros and the proliferation of 527s, it doesn't matter who runs the parties.
Ickes' "America Coming Together" 527 is basically a Hillary slush fund.
They don't need McAullife at the helm of the DNC-- of course, they prefer that, but they don't need it. McCain-Feingold has made the parties incredibly weak.
By the way, the media created the Clintons, not the other way around.
... Is this serious?
Yes, but if Iraq fails, he willfeel like a failure. I assure you, he will. It's human nature. A President wants a legacy. They want to be loved by the people. If he gets rejected and his chief mission fails and people died in vain, he will feel like a failure.
You do know that Kimmit publically announced that there was an investigation into coalition prison abuse in early january of this year right before the Iowa vote?
The prison scandal could have been erased within one week if Bush fired Sec Rumsfeld. Bush can even retire Dick Chaney, for a new image, and blow the Kerry campaign out of the water. Nixon won a second term amid media hostility and hate. That hate ended up destroying him. Bush has a good backing by the American public, and the war time helping to solidify supports. The hate will not end with his election to second term, it will intensify. He has to be careful not to get himself impeached, a la Nixon!
I'm sure that when the Army Times published the abuse investigation
Didn't know that. Do you have a link to the article?
I really doubt it- I don't think they cordinate among themselves that way. Remember- they're all in savage competition to come up with the next scoop/exclussive, etc. I just don't see this scenario happening.
No, I don't. A couple of weeks ago the Army Times reference was mentioned by a guest on C-SPAN's Washington Journal. Supposedly it was overlooked by the mainstream at the time. His (the guest's) point was that the abuse had not been covered up.
You are completely wrong-- Dean was too in your face. Sure he is more consistent than Kerry-- so is the average schizoid, but Dean was a hard swallow for many moderates and conservative Democrats. Kerry is safer. And it doesn't matter what we think, it only matters what the Leftist establishment and the media thought. In the run up to the vote in Iowa, the media declared Dean "unelectable."
Also, your notion that Bush could get rid of Rummy and Cheney and the Left would let up--that is such a delusion. If Bush got rid of Cheney and Rummy-- The base would go nuts-- and it would be tantamount to an admission that he had been served badly by them. It would a confession that so much was a mistake. That would be the worst thing he could do.
No, they do coordinate. Noonan a couple of years ago, said that someone who would be in the know told her that the cospiracy is much more sophisticated than we imagine.
The Left that accuses Halliburton and Bush of so much. Bush is responsible for everything, no?? I think you don't have to be a black helicopter type to recognize that they are very coordinated.
I don't get why people think this is above them. Kimmitt told the world in January from a podium in Iraq about an internal investigation injto prisoner abuse before the vote and they sacked Dean in Iowa after learning of it. It's not complicated.
They talk at parties and then act on the groupthink. It's really not that hard. With media considation it is getting less hard for huge media behemoths to have a unified message.
The base has no place to go. Do you think Republicans are going to vote for Kerry? No way in hell!
Rumsfeld wants to spend more time with his family? Cheney has a heart problem. Clean house, new clean image, a second term? That is what I think.
Kimmit spoke about it publically in January. The media heard him loud and clear (and probably had been leaked about it before he said it publically) while it went over the public's ears. The media have been working the story ever since and just went big with it early May.
No, I like Cheney and Rummy. Besides who does he get. There's no one else.
You'd also be surprised how the base forgets the 90s. I've already heard talk this morning on how Bush's reelection doesn't matter.
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